Talk:Causes of poverty
Latest comment: 8 months ago by Irltoad in topic The neoliberal perspective
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Crime as a cause of poverty
editI believe Wikipedia should have this as this is important information for the public and readers to have. Crime causes poverty by creaying insecurity. 125.165.107.226 (talk) 00:59, 3 September 2023 (UTC)
The neoliberal perspective
edit@Irltoad: care to explain how this thing is important to the "neoliberal" perspective on poverty? 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 22:06, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It has nothing to do with the subject. At best, it should be on the criticism of neoliberalism page. 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 22:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It is a criticism of the neoliberal perspective and its impact on poverty, just as the section on the Socialist Perspective includes criticism of this philosphy. I would agree that the closing sentence does have little relevance, but it doesn't warrant blanking the paragraph. Irltoad (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It does because it's many times longer than the "neoliberal" perspective. I assume you're not familiar with this. Please, review WP:NPOV and especially WP:UNDUE. 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Then trim the criticism, or add to the main section so that there is not undue weight. Again, undue weight does warrant section blanking. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM Irltoad (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It does when the criticism is not suitable to the page and we already have a page about criticism of neoliberalism. The entire section belongs to that page, not this one.It's about. For instance, the section claims that "Several scholars have linked mass incarceration of the poor in the United States with the rise of neoliberalism."What does it have to do with the neoliberal perspective of the causes of poverty? The rest of the section does not even confront the idea that creating conditions for profitable private investment is the solution to poverty. Indeed, the word "poverty" only appears once in the whole paragraph. 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 23:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, feel free to remove it. That said, I do think that a (brief) critique of the neoliberal perspective should be added (not necessarily by you – maybe I'll get round to it tomorrow if I have time to find a decent source) to add balance to the section. It's late here and I've had a long day so my brain glossed over the important detail that it was discussing causes of poverty, rather than just different perspectives of poverty in general. It may also be worth moving at least some of it to Criticism of neoliberalism as it is well-sourced, just in the wrong place as you say. Please accept my apologies. Irltoad (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- No worries. As I said, I agree that it could be on the criticism of neoliberalism.2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 23:24, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- You're right, feel free to remove it. That said, I do think that a (brief) critique of the neoliberal perspective should be added (not necessarily by you – maybe I'll get round to it tomorrow if I have time to find a decent source) to add balance to the section. It's late here and I've had a long day so my brain glossed over the important detail that it was discussing causes of poverty, rather than just different perspectives of poverty in general. It may also be worth moving at least some of it to Criticism of neoliberalism as it is well-sourced, just in the wrong place as you say. Please accept my apologies. Irltoad (talk) 23:23, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It does when the criticism is not suitable to the page and we already have a page about criticism of neoliberalism. The entire section belongs to that page, not this one.It's about. For instance, the section claims that "Several scholars have linked mass incarceration of the poor in the United States with the rise of neoliberalism."What does it have to do with the neoliberal perspective of the causes of poverty? The rest of the section does not even confront the idea that creating conditions for profitable private investment is the solution to poverty. Indeed, the word "poverty" only appears once in the whole paragraph. 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 23:07, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- Then trim the criticism, or add to the main section so that there is not undue weight. Again, undue weight does warrant section blanking. WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM Irltoad (talk) 23:00, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It does because it's many times longer than the "neoliberal" perspective. I assume you're not familiar with this. Please, review WP:NPOV and especially WP:UNDUE. 2804:14C:5B72:84FC:C9AD:7DBB:2FDB:6F23 (talk) 22:49, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- It is a criticism of the neoliberal perspective and its impact on poverty, just as the section on the Socialist Perspective includes criticism of this philosphy. I would agree that the closing sentence does have little relevance, but it doesn't warrant blanking the paragraph. Irltoad (talk) 22:35, 22 February 2024 (UTC)
- I was just having a quick look for sources and checked the one cited for the main text of the neoliberal perspective (see here) does not discuss what the text does, or even poverty at all. For now I have removed the link and added a citation needed template, but I thought I'd mention here as well. Irltoad (talk) 00:54, 23 February 2024 (UTC)