Talk:Carola of Vasa

Scandinavian princess?

A case can be made against categorizing this woman as a Swedish princess, since her paternal grandfather and his entire line of the dynasty were formally deposed in 1809. However, her father and his family were considered de facto Swedish royalty in many weighty circles throughout Europe, at least during the reign of the first Bernadotte king and up until such time as it became clear to all that the Oldenburgs (Holstein-Gottorpian branch) would never be restored to that throne. Consequently, the remains of her father and infant brother were also eventually interred in the royal Gustavian crypt in the official pantheon of Sweden in Stockholm.

But Queen Carola was definitely not ever a Norwegian princess, her father was never a Norwegian prince amd his father never King of Norway. It was her great-granduncle Carl XIII who took over the Swedish throne when his nephew (her grandfather) was thrown out, and then in 1814 gained the Norwegian throne, too. SergeWoodzing (talk) 20:46, 11 March 2010 (UTC)

De facto is the wrong word. De facto means, as the link say, "in practice but not necessarily ordained by law", and Carola was not a Swedish princess in practice. I think the word you are loking for is "titular" - princess, similarly to the "kings" of the deposed Stuart line. But, of course, you are correct : she should not be called a Swedish princess. --85.226.44.210 (talk) 09:33, 13 March 2010 (UTC)

I know what all these terms mean, thank you! "Titular" she was not, de facto is what she was in the minds of her dynasty's supporters and the writings of some historians. I am not sure she should not be considered a Swedish princess, though never titular nor official Princess of Sweden. SergeWoodzing (talk) 15:36, 13 March 2010 (UTC)