Talk:Canntaireachd

about pronunciation

How pronounced is "canntaireachd"? Wandering perfect fool 02:26, 10 December 2006 (UTC)

- I don't know IPA well enough but the final sound is the hardest to represent and would be something like "xk" in it, i.e. "ch" as in "loch", or like "Juan" in Spanish and a final "k" sound. The first part would be "can-ter" in an English phonetic spelling. --MacRusgail 21:14, 12 December 2006 (UTC)

- I think the easiest way for us moderns to pronounce the word is to say "can't rock't" KenGordon (talk) 15:51, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

Moderns? Scottish Gaelic is modern, and so are its speakers. But in answer to your question, the first part is something like "canter", but the last part is pronounced nothing like "rock't", because the "d" isn't much like English - see what I say above. --MacRusgail (talk) 19:33, 23 August 2008 (UTC)

- I have heard it pronounced "kɘnˡtaɾɘx" or "Ken TAR ach" , but I am not sure if this is correct either. In any case, the pronunciation is similar with the word to sing in Italian: "cantare" (kanˈtaɾe). Spettro9 (talk) 14:09, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

Not really. The ending of the word is completely different. "x" is not the last consontant, but the second last.--MacRusgail (talk) 16:37, 6 June 2009 (UTC)

I just spoke with a girl piper from Northern Scotland, a secondary Gaelic speaker, and what she said seems to be "ˡkɘntaɾɘx" (ie. accent on first syllable, not second). What do you say is the last consonant, MacRusgail? Also, regarding Italian, I should have been more clear. I just meant it is somewhat similar, from a historical linguistics standpoint; I have read somewhere that Celtic and Italic may have been closest linguistic cousins, as opposed to Germanic, Slavic, or any other IE languages groups.... I have seen some other possible cognates, but who knows... Happy piobaireachd-ing!

"ˡkɘntaɾɘx" is close, but stick a "k" sound after the "x" - "ˡkɘntaɾɘxk". I think the word is related to cantare, but that means to sing. It is probably a Latin loan. That said, in Gaidhlig, it is common to "sing" (seinn) the pipes. --MacRusgail (talk) 20:34, 14 June 2009 (UTC)

I've always heard it pronounced closer to "ˈkɘntəɾɒx". If I read http://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Wikipedia:IPAEN?oldid=370742266#cite_note-4 right the "k" is a dialect thing. On a related note, canterach seems to be the most common simplified spelling. --Mozjag (talk) 00:16, 30 June 2010 (UTC)

The above link is for English, not Gàidhlig, and is therefore not quite relevant. The final /k/ is dialectal, but it would be better to pronounce it than not. Beware Anglicizations, as many are old, from old pronunciations, and frequently poorly done. Also, note that Modern Scottish English pronunciations are not an indicator of Gàidhlig, e.g. "pìobaireachd" becomes pibroch. E.Zajdel (talk) 21:26, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

What table?

The article refers to a table of canntaireachd syllables and has a section explaining said table, but the table itself is nowhere to be seen. Svenax (talk • contribs)

I was also wondering about this. Someone asked this question 10 years ago, and it has neither been answered nor edited in the article. claidheamdanns

mystery cleared

I learnt the bagpipes via the chanter. This was in colonial Africa. My teacher, a very old man, had a habit of singing or chanting the tunes in what we took to be a bizarre personal dialect, which we made fun of all the time. I now realise he was doing classic canntaireachd and I should have paid more attention! Bagman

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Inline citations, sources, too detailed

My thoughts: 1) We need INLINE citations so we can see which source supports which statement. 2) The references section lists a couple of sources (Dwelly and Collins), neither of which I recognize from my own study of piobaireachd and canntaireachd. I have added a couple of citations to modern sources used by musicians. But there's more to be done here. 3) The "Explanation of..." section is in my view much too detailed. There are very few people that are qualified to give that section, as written, the sort of knowledgeable review that's necessary to ensure accuracy. Better to be more concise and give very specific inline citations so that the reader can consult the original source. This is a very technical subject. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 03:23, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

I have not checked The "Explanation of..." section. Too deep a dive I vote for deleting most of the details in that section. Cordially, BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 13:35, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

After some thought, I have deleted most of the section "Explanation of..." on the grounds that there were no inline citations. Such a long and specific explanation almost certainly came from some published work. To use large blocks of someone else's published work risks being accused of copyright violation. With that risk in mind, I decided to be bold and delete a lot of text. In its place I put in much briefer text which touches on some of the same points, backed up with plenty of citations. If anyone disagrees, please let me know.BuzzWeiser196 (talk) 16:42, 26 March 2022 (UTC)

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