Talk:Campeonato Carioca

1996 Taça Cidade Maravilhosa

This should not count as a state championship. It is not recognized by the federation as a state championship. Check the list of champions on their website.—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 65.2.0.240 (talk • contribs) .

Thanks, I removed Taça Cidade Maravilhosa. Carioca 04:15, 10 April 2006 (UTC)

Unnatural words

Some of the words in this didn't sound completely natural in English - "disputing" a championship in English would make a native speaker think the teams were disagreeing with the outcome. I did what I could. 81.108.22.48 17:33, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

Sorry, that was me Karlusss 17:34, 23 June 2006 (UTC)

tournament game section

I removed the tournament game section because there was no explanation on what exactly it was. Anyway, the full text is below:

tournament game

3(2 rounds)

  *
 2
1 1 2

4(2 rounds)

   *
 3   3
1 1 2 2

5(4 rounds)

   *
  4
3   3

1 1 2 2 4

Regards, --Carioca 23:59, 10 February 2007 (UTC)

History of the format

Since 1982, the champion of Campeonato Carioca has been determined by Finals beteen winner of Taça Guanabara and Taça Rio. However, there is no any information of the format before 1982.

I am planning to start a new section concerning the format change. I've got some details on the format changes in 1994 and 1995 (See Talk:Taça Rio), but I don't have any ideas regarding the format before 1982. So, can any body offer me some information? Salt (talk) 17:46, 20 May 2008 (UTC)

Hi! I will try to help, but there are a lot of seasons. Since this year (2008), 16 teams are competing for the Campeonato Carioca championship. The competition format changed several times since the first year the league was played:

• from 1906 to 1911, the participating teams played against each other twice, and the champion was the club that scored more points. In 1912 there were two separate competitions, one organized by LMSA and the other by AFRJ. In both 1912 tournaments the format was the same as the 1911 season.
• In 1913, the competition was divided in two stages. In the first stage the 10 teams played against each other once. In the second stage, the seven best-place teams in the first stage played against each other again. The champion was the club that scored more points in both stages.
• 1914 to 1916: seven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1917 to 1920: ten teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1921: seven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points, but as Flamengo and América finished with the same number of points, a tie-break match was played.
• 1922: seven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1923: eight teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1924: in 1924 there were two separate competitions, one organized by LMDT and the other by AMEA. The LMDT championship was divided in three groups in the first stage: Série A and Série B (eight teams in each group), and Série C (seven teams). The winner of each group qualified to the final stage. In the final stage, the winner of Série A played against the winner of Série C, and the winner of that match played the final against the winner of Série B. In the AMEA championship eight teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1925 to 1927: ten teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1928: eleven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. Syrio e Libanez was suspended by AMEA (which was the competition organizer) and did not play the first ten matches (the club played against the others once).
• 1929 to 1931: eleven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1932: twelve teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1933: in 1933 there were two separate competitions, one organized by AMEA and the other by LCF. In the AMEA championship ten teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. In the LCF championship six teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1934: in 1934 there were two separate competitions, one organized by AMEA and the other by LCF. In the AMEA championship five teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. Three other teams abandoned the competition; In the LCF championship seven teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1935: in 1935 there were two separate competitions, one organized by FMD and the other by LCF. In the FMD championship seven teams played against each other thrice, the champion was the club that scored more points. In the LCF championship six teams played against each other thrice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1936: in 1936 there were two separate competitions, one organized by FMD and the other by LCF. The FMD championship was divided in two stages and the final. In each stage the 7 teams played against each other once, and the winners of each stage played the final in three-legs. In the LCF championship six teams played against each other thrice, the champion was the club that scored more points, but as Fluminense and Flamengo finished with the same number of points, a tie-break match was played.
• 1937: twelve teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1938: nine teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1939 and 1940: nine teams playing against each other thrice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1941: in 1941, in the first stage ten teams playing against each other twice, and in the second stage the six best placed teams in the first stage played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage.
• 1942: ten teams playing against each other thrice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1943 to 1945: ten teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1946: ten teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. The four best placed teams played against each other twice in an extra tournament named Supercampeonato (Superchampionship), the Supercampeonato champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1947 to 1952: eleven teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. In 1951, Fluminense and Bangu finished with the same number of points, so a tie-break match was played.
• 1953 to 1955: from 1953 to 1955, in the first stage twelve teams playing against each other twice, and in the second stage the six best placed teams in the first stage played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage.
• 1956 and 1957: twelve teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1958: twelve teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. As Vasco, Botafogo and Flamengo finished with the same number of points, a tie-break tournament was played (the three teams played against each other once). The three teams finished with the same number of points in the tie-break tournament, so a second tie-break tournament was played (again, the three teams played against each other once).
• 1959 and 1960: twelve teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points.
• 1961: in 1961, in the first stage twelve teams playing against each other once, and in the second stage the eight best placed teams in the first stage played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage.
• 1962 to 1964: thirteen teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. In 1964, Fluminense and Bangu finished with the same number of points, so a tie-break match was played.
• 1965 and 1966: eight teams playing against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points. In 1965 and in 1966, Taça Guanabara was a separate competition played before the Campeonato Carioca, and was used as a qualifying tournament to Taça Brasil by Guanabara state teams.
• 1967: in 1967, in the first stage twelve teams played against each other once, and in the second stage the eight best placed teams in the first stage played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage. Taça Guanabara was a separate competition played before the Campeonato Carioca, and was used as a qualifying tournament to Taça Brasil by Guanabara state teams.
• 1968: the twelve clubs were divided in two groups of six clubs each. All the teams played against each other once (they played against the other teams of their group and against the teams of the other group). The four best placed teams of each group qualified to the second stage, in which the eight teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage. Taça Guanabara was a separate competition.
• 1969 and 1970: in 1969 and 1970, in the first stage twelve teams playing against each other once, and in the second stage the eight best placed teams in the first stage played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage. Taça Guanabara was a separate competition.
• 1971: the twelve clubs were divided in two groups of six clubs each. The teams played against the teams of the other group once. The four best placed teams of each group qualified to the second stage, in which the eight teams played against each other twice, the champion was the club that scored more points in the second stage. Taça Guanabara was a separate competition.
• 1972: In the first stage, which was the Taça Guanabara, twelve teams played against each other once. The eight best placed teams in Taça Guanabara qualified to the second stage, named Taça Fadel Fadel, and to the third stage, named Taça José de Albuquerque. In both Taça Fadel Fadel and Taça José de Albuquerque the eight teams played against each other once. The winners of Taça Guanabara, Taça Fadel Fadel and Taça José de Albuquerque qualified to the final stage, in which the three teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the final stage.
• 1973: In the first stage, which was the Taça Guanabara, twelve teams played against each other once. The eight best placed teams in Taça Guanabara qualified to the second stage, named Taça Francisco Laport, and to the third stage (in which the Group A was named Troféu Pedro Novaes and the Group B was named Troféu Josë Ferreira Agostinho). In Taça Francisco Laport the eight teams played against each other once. In the third stage, the four teams of Group A played against the four teams of the other group once. The Taça Guanabara champion, the Taça Francisco Laport champion, and the champions of Third Stage's Group A and Group B qualified to the semifinals. As Fluminense won both Taça Francisco Laport (2nd stage) and Third Stage's Group B, the club was automatically qualified to the final. The final was played in a single match.
• 1974: In the first stage, which was the Taça Guanabara, twelve teams played against each other once. The eight best placed teams in Taça Guanabara qualified to the second stage, named Taça Oscar Wright da Silva, and to the third stage, named Taça Pedro Magalhães Corrêa. In both Taça Oscar Wright da Silva and Taça Pedro Magalhães Corrêa the eight teams played against each other once. The winners of Taça Guanabara, Taça Oscar Wright da Silva and Taça Pedro Magalhães Corrêa qualified to the final stage, in which the three teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the final stage.
• 1975: In the first stage, which was the Taça Guanabara, twelve teams played against each other once. In the second stage, which was the Taça Augusto Pereira da Motta, twelve teams played against each other once. The eight best placed teams in Taça Augusto Pereira da Motta qualified to the third stage, named Taça Danilo Leal Carneiro. In Taça Danilo Leal Carneiro the eight teams played against each other once. The winners of Taça Guanabara, Taça Augusto Pereira da Motta and Taça Danilo Leal Carneiro qualified to the final stage, in which the three teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the final stage.
• 1976: in the first stage, which was the Taça Guanabara, 15 teams played against each other once. The eight best placed teams qualified to the winners' group, while the others qualified to the losers' group. In the second stage, in the winners' group, the eight teams played against each other once, and in the losers' group the seven teams played against each other once. The last placed team in the winners' group was relegated to the Third Stage's losers' group, and the losers' group champion was promoted to the Third Stage's winners' group. In the Third Stage, in the winners' group, the eight teams played against each other once, and in the losers' group the seven teams played against each other once. The Taça Guanabara champion, the Second Stage Winners's Group champion, and the Third Stage Winners' Group champion and the Third Stage Losers' champion qualified to the final stage, in which the four teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the final stage.
• 1977: In the first stage (Taça Guanabara), the 15 teams played against each other once. In the second stage (Taça Manoel do Nascimento Vargas Netto), the 15 teams played against each other once. As Vasco won both stages, it was declared as the Campeonato Carioca champions.
• 1978: In the first stage (Taça Guanabara), the 12 teams played against each other once. In the second stage (Taça Rio), the 15 teams played against each other once. As Flamengo won both stages, it was declared as the Campeonato Carioca champions.
• 1979: In 1979 there were two tournaments (see Campeonato Carioca's article for explanation). In the regular tournament, in the first stage, the 18 teams played against each other once. The 10 best placed teams qualified to the winners' group, while the others qualified to the losers' group. In the second stage, in the Winners' Group, the ten teams played against each other once, and in the Losers' Group, the eight teams played against each other once. The six best placed teams in the Winners' group and the two best placed teams in the Losers' Group qualified to the final stage. In the final stage, the eight teams played against each other once, the champion was the club that scored more points in the final stage. In the special (or extra) tournament, in the first stage (Taça Luiz Aranha), the 10 teams played against each other once. In the second stage (Taça Jorge Frias de Paula), the 10 teams played against each other once. As Flamengo won both stages, it was declared as the Campeonato Carioca champions.
• 1980: first was played a qualifying tournament in which the seven teams played against each other once. The three best placed teams qualified to the first stage. In the first stage (Taça João Baptista Coelho Netto), the 14 teams played against each other once. The 10 best placed teams qualified to the second stage (Taça Gustavo de Carvalho). In the second stage (Taça Gustavo de Carvalho), the ten teams played against each other once. The winners of Taça João Baptista Coelho Netto and Taça Gustavo de Carvalho played the final. Taça Guanabara was a separate tournament.
• 1981: in the first stage (Taça Guanabara), the 12 teams played against each other once. In the second stage (Taça Ney Cidade Palmeiro), the 12 teams played against each other once. In the third stage (Taça Sylvio Corrêa Pacheco), the 12 teams played against each other once. Flamengo won both the first and the third stage, while Vasco won the second stage. Flamengo and Vasco qualified to the final. Vasco won the first two legs of the final while Flamengo just the third leg, but as Flamengo was the champion of two of the three stages of the Campeonato Carioca, it was declared as the competition champion.

Hope that helps. --Carioca (talk) 04:04, 21 May 2008 (UTC)

It's so great to have such complete information. As there is sufficient content, I think it will be too much too be all included in the main article. I am planning to add a summary concerning the format change in the main article, and create a new article concerns the details of format change specifically. A link can be added to link up the main article and the new one.

But it seems to be quite heavy concerning the workload, I think I need some days to finish the job. Thanks Carioca for offering so much useful information. Salt (talk) 17:49, 22 May 2008 (UTC)

It is a good idea to make a new article, adding a link to link up the main article and the new one. --Carioca (talk) 22:48, 22 May 2008 (UTC)