Talk:Bronocice pot

Circe in the middle of the cart

Surely the circle in the middle of the cart is the pot itself. The pot contains the mead. The mead being the main magic referred in the text on the pot. I think he was saying how that one would need to consume mead to drive the wagon ... its so important to him that he had a pot made that says so ! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 123.243.91.29 (talk) 16:05, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Museum Archaeology in Krakow - copy the Bronocice past

http://www.ma.krakow.pl/wystawy/wozy_z_bronocic

Photo

Is this 6000 year old pot unphotographed? That drawing looks extremely unconvincing as evidence of wheels.

Re : Photo

Photo - above. The wheels are displayed flot two dimensionaly. The fifth wheel is a magic sign - the Sun. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bewit1 (talk • contribs) 14:03, 30 December 2006 (UTC).

The text ascribed magic to the mead, so I have figured out that the magic sign refers to the mead. I don't think he refers to the sun gods in the text.. why not ? well he isn't crossing a desert ??? I think he means the mead god.

123.243.91.29 (talk) 16:07, 1 March 2017 (UTC)

Re2 : Photo

Film : http://www.neolit.prv.pl/ —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Bewit1 (talk • contribs) 10:32, 20 January 2007 (UTC).

The Valletta Convention

That is not true! The Bronocice pot isn't at Cracow museum. The local authorities don't obey The European Convention on the Protection of the Archaeological Heritage. This unique pot has been inaccessible for the general public for 30 years and is being stored on the officeshelf at Institute of Archaeology and Ethnology Polish Academy of Sciences at Cracow.

World's oldest vehicles - The Bronocice Pot

In 1974 a group of Cracovian archaeologists led by prof. Janusz Kruk found shells of a small clay dish with unusual signs engraved. The ornament on the pot symbolically depicts key elements of prehistoric human environment. The most important components of the decoration are five rudimentary representations of what seems to be a wagon. They represent a vehicle with a shaft for a draught animal, and four wheels. The lines connecting the wheels probably represent axles and the middle circle resembles a container for harvest. Other images on the pot include a tree, a river and what may be fields intersected by roads/ditches or the layout of a village.

The image on the pot is the oldest known representation of a wheeled vehicle all over the world. It implies the existence of wagons in Central Europe as early as in the 4th millennium BC. They were presumably drawn by aurochs whose remains were found with the pot. Their horns were worn out as if tied with a rope, possibly a result of using a kind of yoke.

It was dated to 3.500 BC using radiocarbon method and is attributed to the Funnelbeaker archaeological culture. It seems that the unknown residents of today's Małopolska region (Lesser Poland) applied wheel in construction of animal pulled vehicles as first on the world.

This all happened 5500 years ago, during Neolithic Age. The famous Sumer drawings and their wheeled toys are dated to be several hundred years younger.

Bronocice Bronocice is a little village near Działoszyce (Swietokrzyskie Province). During years 1974-1979 it was a beacon for archaeologists from the Cracovian Institute of Archeology and Ethnology of the Polska Akademia Nauk (Polish Academy of Science) as well as for prof. Sarunasa Milisauskasa from the New York State University in Buffalo. The sciencists found remains of a great settlement dated back to the beginnings of agriculture. The settlement seemed to last about 1000 years (from 3800 to 2700 BC) and to be the biggest found in Central Europe. Placed on a loess plateau near the Nidzica river it occupied an area of 50 hectares.

The closed defensive area (about 2,4 ha) was surrounded with a moat and stockades. The inhabitants were focused on agricultural tasks and acquired new grounds for cultivation by burning nearby forests. Main crops were usually different kinds of wheat, barley, millet, poppy seed, lentils, pea and flax. The local society also had a number of cattle, sheep, goat and pig breeders.

Numerous sings of sheep breeding and remains of rings used to spin found in Bronocice indicate a centralized system of wool and clothes production. To move from using rings to using wheeled vehicles was not that far.

In 2003, near the place where the Bronocice vase was found, an monument 'For Ancestors and Archeologists' was erected.

The archaeological meetings are held in Działoszyce every second year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Bewit1 (talk • contribs) 09:27, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Cucuteni-Trypillian cow-on-wheels, 3950-3650 BC

Cucuteni-Trypillian cow-on-wheels, "3950-3650 BC" http://mathildasanthropologyblog.wordpress.com/2008/11/19/ —Preceding unsigned comment added by 80.39.185.185 (talk) 17:43, 31 May 2009 (UTC)

This is not a reliable source as required for wikipedia, it is neither geographically nor chronologically attested in any scientific source. The PLANTAR museum unpolitely did not answer my request for that.HJJHolm (talk) 13:55, 30 March 2017 (UTC)

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Dates

I canceled one outdated and one secondary reference. The remaining date stems naturally not from the pot itself, however, from a bone found in the same pit, and still is the most acceptable date. HJJHolm (talk) 10:30, 9 June 2017 (UTC)

Aurochs

The Historical implications section says the wagon was pulled by a sort of aurochs. This seems implausible since aurochs was a dangerous wild animal. The reference only points to the name of an author, David W. Anthony. However, it's not hard to find out which book was meant: The Horse, the Wheel, and Language: How Bronze-Age Riders from the Eurasian Steppes Shaped the Modern World which is available in Preview mode on Google Books. On page 138 it explains how the male aurochs was occasionally allowed to breed with the domesticated cow, producing hybrid cattle. This is referenced to yet another source (note 7 for that chapter, which is not accessible in Preview mode) but here's the point. I don't think we should call it an aurochs because a) it's not really supported by the ref, and 2) it is such an extraordinary claim that it would need to be supported by a general scholarly consensus, not a single reference Zyxwv99 (talk) 15:04, 20 November 2017 (UTC)