Talk:British currency in the Middle East
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Promissory Note signed by General Gordon
editI removed this image util such times as anybody can provide more evidence of its relevance. It's dated before Egypt introduced the pound unit. If someone can read the Arabic, they should be able to confirm if it is perhaps a 500 piastre promissory note.
![E£50 promissory note issued and hand-signed by Gen. Gordon during the Siege of Khartoum (26 April 1884)[1]](/wiki/File:SUD-S111b-Siege_of_Khartoum-50_Egyptian_Pounds_(1884).jpg)
2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:7806:74C9:CAEC:7256 (talk) 12:18, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- To editor Makeandtoss: can you help with this? Zerotalk 13:01, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Zero0000:
- خمسون جنيه ميري مصري
- هذا المبلغ مقبول و نجرى دفعه من خزينة الخرطوم أو مصر بعد مضي ستة أشهر من تاريخه٢٥ أبريل ١٨٨٤
- غوردون باشا
- Fifty "miri" Egyptian pounds
- This amount is acceptable and was paid by the treasury of Khartoum or Egypt six months after the date. 25 April 1884
- Gordon Pasha Makeandtoss (talk) 13:06, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much. It has now been restored with the context explained. 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:5D2E:3C69:A219:A2D8 (talk) 15:29, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
To editor Makeandtoss: what does "miri" mean? I found this http://mideastweb.org/Middle-East-Encyclopedia/miri.htm 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:5D2E:3C69:A219:A2D8 (talk) 16:00, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
- No idea to be honest. Tried looking it up in currency context and no results. Makeandtoss (talk) 16:07, 3 April 2024 (UTC)
OK, thanks anyway 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:41EE:73CC:14BC:6F7B (talk) 00:03, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- I don't know either, but by analogy with the "miri" classification of land ownership I'll guess that it means money guaranteed by the state, rather than being a private promissory note. Zerotalk 08:19, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Zero, Thanks. Yes, that is quite a probable explanation. 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:4D4:D7C0:458C:4095 (talk) 10:28, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
- @Zero0000: In a sub-note on page 325 of "A History of Currency in the British Colonies" (1893) by Robert Chalmers, in relation to plated coins in Cyprus, he says, "The word miri, which is found used in connection with these coins, means simply "belonging to the Government". This corroborates your theory. 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:C1BE:4D7C:45BF:EEC0 (talk) 13:08, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
- Thanks, it's nice to guess correctly for once ;). Zerotalk 13:38, 6 April 2024 (UTC)
References
- ^ Cuhaj, George S., ed. (2009). Standard Catalog of World Paper Money Specialized Issues (11 ed.). Krause. p. 1070. ISBN 978-1-4402-0450-0.
Sources
editRegarding evidence that Aden devalued the South Arabian dinar in parallel with the 1967 pound sterling devaluation, Table 8 on page 14 (page 23 in the pdf file) in this link here, https://www.un.org/en/development/desa/policy/wess/wess_archive/1967wes_part2.pdf , confirms it. It's also confirmed on page 103 of "All The Monies of the World" (A Chronicle of Currency Values), Franz Pick - René Sédillot - 1971. This latter reference also confirms all the latest updates on historical exchange rates. But I don't know how to format these references into the narrative. I'll try to learn, but meanwhile I'll record them here anyway. 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:DDFD:8AA0:30CF:208B (talk) 19:53, 4 April 2024 (UTC)
Another source, https://fraser.stlouisfed.org/files/docs/publications/FRB/pages/1925-1929/28191_1925-1929.pdf 2A00:23C8:4DA4:5F01:7C9D:6BE9:8BD:E720 (talk) 17:48, 5 April 2024 (UTC)
Block reversion
editI reverted en block a large number of recent edits. The article had become a complete mess, structurally as well as having many uncited assertions, contrary to policy WP:no original research. At least some of the content was added by a sock puppet or puppets of banned editor TheCurrencyGuy: all such edits, good or bad, are reverted without further discussion per policy WP:BMB.
It has been put to me that good faith edits were lost in the process but it is clear from the result that the person who contributed the changes does not understand what is needed to write a wikipedia article. This is not a problem: we all started that way. The contributions are just hidden, that ate not destroyed. Please ask for help at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Numismatics to have the desired changes done properly There is already a discussion open on this topic or you can start a new one. 𝕁𝕄𝔽 (talk) 18:35, 13 April 2024 (UTC)
The 1928 silver riyal introduced into the Kingdom of Hejaz and Nejd
editTo editor Makeandtoss: can you please help here? In this link https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20478.html in the bit where it talks about the reverse side, it translates some Arabic writing as referring to Saudi Arabia. But Saudi Arabia didn't exist in 1928. Can you please look at the actual picture of the reverse side of the coin and confirm if the script mentioned, ريال عربي سعودي واحد ضرب في مكة المكرمة ١٣٤٦ ١ is actually written on the coin. ThreeDrunkenLeopards (talk) 12:42, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
- Indeed, "ريال عربي سعودي واحد" should be translated in to "one Arab, Saudi riyal" rather than "one Saudi-Arabian riyal". Saudi comes as an adjective of the name Saud; the two adjectives Arab (Arab as an adjective in Arabic is Arabi) and Saudi seem to have later been taken up as KSA's name. Makeandtoss (talk) 13:12, 1 June 2024 (UTC)
Thank you very much. Can you confirm that the inscription "ريال عربي سعودي واحد" is actually on the reverse of the coin that is illustrated here, https://en.numista.com/catalogue/pieces20478.html, and not just in the article. ThreeDrunkenLeopards (talk) 16:03, 1 June 2024 (UTC)