Talk:Brigid

Wiccan triple goddess

I removed: "Brigid was known by many names, but all the different avatars were triple goddesses, with a maiden, mother, and crone aspect."

This is incorrect. The idea of triple goddesses being a maiden, mother and crone is not found in the Celtic cultures where they were sisters, as the Brighids are seen, or mothers (as in the Dea Matronae, Divine Mothers). The idea was actually invented by Robert Graves and it has been incorrectly projected onto triple goddess figures existing prior.

Were the Brighids really three sisters, or were they simply one goddess with three titles or aspects? The fact that they are all called Brighid makes it seem to me that they are a single, three-part entity. Celsiana 02:26, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Yeah, same person. But it's not Wiccan. Wicca is a basterdazation of the old ways.--2602:306:C50F:6FE0:3484:FF1C:540E:9DF6 (talk) 00:14, 14 September 2012 (UTC)

Basterdazation? Allaoii ^talk 22:09, 9 December 2022 (UTC)

Berecyntia

I have not found any evidence for such a goddess in Gaul. The name does notseem Gaulish. I did find a reference to an eponymous deity of Mount Berecyntos in Phrygia (hardly Gaulish), a passing mention in Bacon [1] and something in Ovid Berecynthia Aeneae classem in Nymphas transformat. Nine of which gives me any confidence in the existence of such a Gaulish deity. If someone could please supply a citation? --Nantonos 21:31, 3 January 2006 (UTC)

Can't supply a citation, but can supply a guess. Might somebody have found this Phrygian placename and hazarded a Galatian etymology for it? (Cart before the horse, if that's the case...) QuartierLatin1968 El bien mas preciado es la libertad 16:18, 4 January 2006 (UTC)

سلام من یک دختر افغانستانی از ایران هستم فرشته بریجید رو از قرآن کریم در خین خواندن در یکی از سوره ها در عددپیدا کردم این عدد مرا به الهه بریجید طوری که در سایت گوگل نوشته شده رساند دارم تحقیق میکنم ایا فرشته است آیا برایم پیغامی دارد پس چرا عددی برایم نمیفرستد یا پیغامی لطفا راهنمایی ام کنید دوستتون دارم 2A03:EF43:7:7CB8:F5D4:7D55:4210:32AF (talk) 19:52, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

سلام من یک دختر افغانستانی از ایران هستم فرشته بریجید رو از قرآن کریم در خین خواندن در یکی از سوره ها در عددپیدا کردم این عدد مرا به الهه بریجید طوری که در سایت گوگل نوشته شده رساند دارم تحقیق میکنم ایا فرشته است آیا برایم پیغامی دارد پس چرا عددی برایم نمیفرستد یا پیغامی لطفا راهنمایی ام کنید دوستتون دارم 2A03:EF43:7:7CB8:F5D4:7D55:4210:32AF (talk) 19:53, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

On the subject of the Phrygian goddess Berecyntia/Cybele worshipped in the East by Galatians is was also found in Gaul. (I personally wonder about the comparative imagery with Epona, (replace Cybele's lions and your get Epona with her horses). Gregory of Tours (c.538-594) writes in his Liber in Gloria Confessorum of a rural ceremony at Autun in Burgundy: “They say that in the city there once existed a statue of Berecynthia [Great Mother, Cybele] just as the history of the passion of the holy martyr Symphorian makes clear. The bishop of Simplicius was present when, according to the wretched custom of the pagans, they were drawing this [statue] about in a cart, for the prosperity of their fields and vineyards. Not very far off, Simplicius saw them singing and dancing before the idol. And emitting a groan to God for the foolishness of the people …”

Also appears in Liber de virtutibus. S. Juliani. I understand the gist is: “On a certain day of the year, the statue of Cybele was with great pomp carried through the streets in a chariot richly adorned. Symphorian, because he had not on that occasion adored it, was seized by the mob, and carried before Heraclius, a man of consular dignity, and governor of the province, who happened to be then at Autun, very busy in calling the Christians to an account. Heraclius, being seated on his tribunal, asked him why he refused to adore the image of the mother of the gods.” Muireagain (talk) 19:13, 9 March 2011 (UTC)

Redirecting from Berecyntia to this article is basically Robert Graves for idiots. Berecyntus was a mountain in Phrygia sacred to Cybele and then to Dionysus. Hence Berecyntia was an epithet of Cybele. 'Berecyntes' was a Greek word for a Phrygian tribe. Having said that, finding a reference to Mt Berecyntus is not easy (it seems to be in the scholiasts, i.e. Servius on Vergil, and others on Horace), and Samuel Butler didn't locate it, although he does have two Mt Dindymuses in Phrygia, another mountain sacred to Cybele. The whole of Phrygia north of modern Dinar is pretty much one mountain range, and it's probable that the whole region can be taken to be signified by whatever mountains are named in the myths.(Strabo, Aeschylus fr., Callimachus' Hymn to Diana) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 86.186.115.156 (talk) 10:25, 8 August 2012 (UTC)

Triple goddess

Someone deleted this and I've restored it. Although it may need rewording there are loads of sources, eg [2]. Dougweller (talk) 09:48, 21 July 2012 (UTC)

I'm still confused as to where Brigid got all her symbols (weren't those from Saint Brighid?). The only significant thing I've read was being Bres' wife and inventing the art of keening after her son, Ruadan died. 122.248.106.27 (talk) 16:49, 26 October 2013 (UTC)

Source on "dawn goddess"

"It has been suggested that Brigid was a dawn goddess and the same figure as Áine. source: Ward, Alan. The Myths of the Gods: Structures in Irish Mythology. CreateSpace, 2011. p.21" Not so much. I'm looking through the source, and it has things like "the shaman god," "the fire god," and "the water goddess who has three names." Some of this is quite fanciful and not in line with scholarly consensus. I'm removing the line and source, but am open to discussing it. Where was this source published besides scribd? Maybe I'm tired out but it looks self-published to me. - CorbieV^☊ 22:16, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

ETA: Doug beat me to it; thanks, Doug. - CorbieV^☊ 22:18, 31 January 2015 (UTC)

I just added Her to the category of dawn goddesses. Leornendeealdenglisc (talk) 08:33, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

One person's theory is not sufficient for putting this in the lede and category, especially with "some theorize" type weasel/inflated phrasings. I've left the content, but put the names of the two people cited (one person citing another) and moved it down to where the other PEI theories are mentioned. - CorbieVreccan ^☊ ☼ 18:42, 1 May 2020 (UTC)

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Was Bridget a real goddess?

Some, Simon Tuite,argue that Bridget wasn't a real goddess. They point to the fact that much of what we know about her is from a single source, the 10th century Cormac's Glossary, written perhaps 300-400 years after Christianization. This text mentions three goddesses, all called Brigit. We know that the word means exalted one, so maybe Bridget was not her three names. Maybe Bridget is just the title? What do you think? Aerchasúr (talk) 23:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)