Talk:Breitbart (surname)

Requested move 26 August 2016

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The result of the move request was: page moved with Breitbart redirecting to Breitbart News. (non-admin closure) GeoffreyT2000 (talk) 04:40, 2 September 2016 (UTC)

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Breitbart → Breitbart (surname) – When people say "Breitbart" it is highly likely they mean Breitbart News. Whenever views for the latter surge, views for this surname article do too. There's no question in my mind that this setup is an inconvenience. Taylor Trescott - ^{my talk} + _{my edits} 03:47, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support in principle as kind of obvious, but, Taylor Trescott, what to do with Breitbart then? Presumably, retarget it to Breitbart News as the WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT? Or move the news to Breitbart? Or create a dab page (that seems daft, though)? No such user (talk) 09:35, 26 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support and move Breitbart News to Breitbart as that is the topic most readers are searching for. "Breitbart" is the WP:COMMONNAME of the news website. SSTflyer 01:03, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support the move. I also agree that Breitbart should point to Breitbart News, as for a full title change eh I'm not sure. Nohomersryan (talk) 02:30, 27 August 2016 (UTC)

• Support. The current surname "article" should not be the target of Breitbart. —  AjaxSmack  02:56, 27 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support Breitbart ought to lead to Brietbart News. Pure functionality, making WP user friendly.E.M.Gregory (talk) 13:27, 28 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support. There is nothing about the surname itself. It's just a list of people with the surname Breitbart. Pandas and people (talk) 14:04, 29 August 2016 (UTC)

  The target title really ought to be Breitbart (disambiguation) (I thought it existed). As you said, {{surname}} pages tend to devote at least some space to the surname origins, and are mostly used for notable, often-used ones. Breitbart does not seem to qualify, it's a plain-vanilla {{Disambiguation}}. No such user (talk) 15:56, 30 August 2016 (UTC)

  As you said, {{surname}} pages tend to devote at least some space to the surname origins, and are mostly used for notable, often-used ones Judging from the first page of Category:Surnames, that doesn't really seem to be true; most name pages are just WP:SETINDEXes, with maybe one sentence at most about the surname's origins. 210.6.254.106 (talk) 08:30, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

• Support but I'm not sure about moving the news article here. I'd just redirect to the journalism article. Red Slash 18:59, 30 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support moving to Breitbart (disambiguation) (not surname) + redirecting Breitbart to Breitbart News as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. — JFG ^talk 23:15, 31 August 2016 (UTC)
• Support moving to Breitbart (surname) and retargeting Breitbart to Breitbart News as WP:PRIMARYREDIRECT. A WP:SETINDEX is not a disambiguation page, and there's nothing else besides the news site that's properly titled by the single word "Breitbart". 210.6.254.106 (talk) 08:30, 1 September 2016 (UTC)

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Breitbart is an Ashkenazi Jewish surname

• Andrew Breitbart – adopted by American Jewish parents
• William Breitbart – Jewish. His parents were also Holocaust survivors.
• Zishe Breitbart – Jew who lived in Poland. Popularly known as Zishe or Sische Breitbart (Yiddish: זישע ברייטבאַרט‎)

Also Surnames in Dictionary of German-Jewish Surnames edit contributed by 186.229.29.170 (talk) 23:52, 1 October 2016 (UTC), partially restored by Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Avotaynu (magazine) may or may not be usable, but being mentioned in a massive list of many names with no other context or information is not persuasive. Reliable sources are needed, and even if every examples happens to be Jewish, we need a reliable source saying that the name is Jewish, otherwise it's original research, which is not acceptable. Nasty personal attacks, sock puppetry, and edit warring are also not productive, and your edits can and will be reverted on that basis alone. Grayfell (talk) 00:05, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

I'm restoring this after a lengthy edit war so that this suggestion can be addressed separate from the severe personal attacks from the IP editor. It was further suggested to use a page on Ancestry.com as a source, but that is also not acceptable for the reasons that Grayfell pointed out, as well as the fact that Ancestry is a user-contributed site which is usually not acceptable as a reliable source anyway. The fact that three individuals with this surname are of Jewish heritage is not usable as evidence that the name itself is of Jewish origin. We would need a reliable source to specifically state that its origin is Jewish. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:07, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

It's worth researching, but someone familiar with genealogy would have better results than me. Andrew Breitbart has been posthumously roped into a number of antisemitic conspiracy theories and similar (Triple parentheses for example), which, I suspect, is why this is so contentious. Even without that, sources need to be good quality for WP:BLP reasons. Grayfell (talk) 01:23, 2 October 2016 (UTC)

Hmm, would surnamedb.com be more reliable? It's related to Ancestry but it doesn't look like it's pulling info from a user forum like Ancestry often does. This site does suggest a German origin but says nothing of it being Jewish. I'll see what WP:ANTHROPONYMY has to say. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:57, 2 October 2016 (UTC)