Talk:Brassica

A start

I've made a start on this genus. The varietal names will be a headache due to the variation in them. Any dependable references?

Imc 19:33, 24 Feb 2004 (UTC)

Species list

I'm also confused by the species list. I was working on Rapini, trying to give it a taxobox, but it's usually known as Brassica rapa, which Wikipedia thinks is a turnip, or Brassica campestris, which Wikipedia thinks is Chinese cabbage. What's to do? – Quadell ^{(talk) (sleuth)} 20:23, Feb 15, 2005 (UTC)

I believe [1] that B. campestris is a synonym for B. rapa (Oleifera Group). These plants are highly variable; B. rapa includes all the things you mention, as well as more than one kind of oilrape. — Pekinensis 19:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Species list

I would like to trim the list to a single level, leaving the intraspecific details to the individual articles, hoping to ease both readability and maintainability.

• Brassica alboglabra - Chinese Kale, Chinese Broccoli, Early Kailaan
• Brassica bourgeaui
• Brassica campestris - Wild Mustard
• Brassica carinata - Abyssinian Mustard or Abyssinian Cabbage
• Brassica cernua - Chinese cabbage, Chinese Leaf, Celery Cabbage
• Brassica chinensis - Chinese Flowering Cabbage, choy sum
• Brassica elongata - Elongated Mustard
• Brassica fimbriata - Kitchen Kale
• Brassica fruticulosa - Mediterranean Cabbage
• Brassica hirta - White Mustard, Yellow Mustard
• Brassica japonica - Japanese Cabbage, Mizuma
• Brassica juncea - Indian Mustard, Brown and leaf mustards, Sarepta Mustard.
• Brassica kaber - Wild Mustard, Field Mustard, Charlock
• Brassica napus - Mustard, Oilseed rape, Canola, Rutabaga (Swede Turnip)
• Brassica narinosa - Broadbeaked Mustard
• Brassica nigra - Black mustard
• Brassica oleracea - Kale, Cabbage, Broccoli, Cauliflower, Kai-lan, Brussels sprouts
• Brassica perviridis - Tender Green, Mustard Spinach
• Brassica rapa - Chinese cabbage, Turnip, Rapini
• Brassica rupestris - Mustard
• Brassica septiceps - Seventop Turnip
• Brassica tournefortii - Asian Mustard

As discussed above, the content itself is difficult; I am only making a presentation suggestion. — Pekinensis 19:44, 18 May 2005 (UTC)

Done. — Pekinensis 15:58, 22 May 2005 (UTC)

I am going to remove the following from the list of species, because ITIS [2] and the University of Melbourne [3] (suggestions for further or preferred authorities are welcome) agree in deprecating or ignoring them:

name	ITIS	Melbourne
B. alboglabra	→ B. oleracea alboglabra	→ B. oleracea alboglabra
B. bourgeaui	not mentioned	not mentioned
B. campestris	→ B. rapa and B. napus	→ B. rapa and B. napus
B. cernua	not mentioned	→ B. juncea
B. chinensis	→ B. oleracea chinensis	→ B. rapa chinensis
B. fimbriata	not mentioned	not mentioned
B. hirta	→ Sinapis alba	→ Sinapis alba
B. japonica	→ B. juncea	→ B. juncea and B. rapa
B. kaber	→ Sinapis arvensis	→ Sinapis arvensis

— Pekinensis 16:17, 23 May 2005 (UTC)

'potent anti-cancer properties'

"They [...] contain multiple nutrients with potent anti-cancer properties: diindolylmethane, sulforaphane and selenium."

Not sure what the appropriate convention is here for flagging such statements, but that looks like rather a strong claim to make without a supporting citation, and may in fact (for all I know) be stronger than the facts warrant. Should this get a "citation required" note, or should it be re-worded?

Reference formatting

It appears that some of my edits have been reverted without an explanation. I have restored my last edit, and would like to attempt to establish consensus on how to proceed. — James Estevez (talk) 20:07, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

going back to the version from may 6, many of the sources were non-technical summaries of journal articles. i reformatted these using |laysummary= so that both the journal article and the non-technical summary were listed together. these were deleted when you switched to {{cite doi}} and {{cite pmid}}. it is also more difficult to check for citations that should be combined when some are using {{cite doi}} and some are using {{cite journal}}.  —Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 20:37, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

I saw that, thank you for your work. When I went to cite {{cite doi}} I included the lay summary by expanding the doi template with your generated cite journal. Regarding combining refs, with 14 references, duplicates can be detected by inspection. On larger articles that obviously becomes impractical, though. Addressing my original concern, I went to your talk page and I gather that you conduct edits by copy-pasting from your sandbox into the article, which is presumably how my changes were overwritten.

As a short glance at your talk archives shows, citation templates can be contentious. I don't have a dog in this fight, so to speak. My goal in switching to {{cite doi}} was to make the text easier to edit. This can also be accomplished by list-defined references, which would be my preference. In any event, I'm unlikely to be making many substantial additions outside of the genomics section. Do as you will.— James Estevez (talk) 21:00, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

i can switch them to list-defined reference format if you'd like.  —Chris Capoccia ^T⁄_C 21:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks.— James Estevez (talk) 20:23, 25 May 2013 (UTC)

Origin of name

Where does the name Brassica come from? • • • Peter (Southwood) ^(talk): 07:37, 14 December 2014 (UTC)

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