Talk:Boundaries between the continents

Map of the differing boundaries between the Asian and European continents.

@Urabura: I am raising this section to discuss the insistence that you have for removing the second and third sentences below File:Possible definitions of the boundary between Europe and Asia.png. I understand that the line labeled "A" in the image follows the International Geographical Union's definitionă, as you have repeatedly stated in your edit comments. I thank you for providing a source for this, I was able to add it to the image summary description on the commons, though it was a bit tricky for me to understand the translation of the Polish text it was written in. However, this does not make the following two sentences incorrect, since the stated "Modern definition" described in the article follows lines "B" and "F" in the image. - Wiz9999 (talk) 15:44, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

I, too, fail to understand how the statement regarding the boundary accepted by Russia and Kazakhstan during the Soviet era could be deemed to be untrue. What would the fact that the IGU currently uses such boundary make the statement regarding Soviet-era practice incorrect? AuH2ORepublican (talk) 18:22, 11 February 2019 (UTC)

Where is the source stating that the line labeled "A" in the image follows the International Geographical Union's definition? When I was browsing the IGU's website, I couldn't find any information about some basic geographical definitions such as the number of continents, the boundaries between these continents, the number of continental subregions and their respective boundaries etc.

If the IAU has the power to determine how many planets does our Solar System have, as the sole international geographic organisation recognised by the international community, wouldn't the IGU have the power to determine these basic geographical definitions too so people worldwide could have a standard to follow? 120.16.170.30 (talk) 12:06, 15 September 2021 (UTC)

The boundary in the Caucasus is not the generally accepted boundary we use nowadays. It ain't this southern. The generally accepted boundary are the peaks/watershed of the Greater Caucasus mountains, so it runs through (small parts) of Russia, Georgia and Azerbaijan. And (optionally): many islands of Greece aren't visible on this map, of which some of them are European and some Asian. Can somebody change this please, thank you. 2A02:A44E:FA4A:0:ECF4:9FA4:9BA4:5304 (talk) 02:00, 4 November 2023 (UTC)

Orphaned references in Boundaries between the continents of Earth

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Boundaries between the continents of Earth's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "marine":

• From Indo-Pacific: Friedlander, Alan M.; Ballesteros, Enric; Caselle, Jennifer E.; Gaymer, Carlos F.; Palma, Alvaro T.; Petit, Ignacio; Varas, Eduardo; Muñoz Wilson, Alex; Sala, Enric (2016-01-06). "Marine Biodiversity in Juan Fernández and Desventuradas Islands, Chile: Global Endemism Hotspots". PLOS ONE. 11 (1). Journals.plos.org: e0145059. Bibcode:2016PLoSO..1145059F. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0145059. PMC 4703205. PMID 26734732.
• From Oceania: Friedlander, Alan M.; Ballesteros, Enric; Caselle, Jennifer E.; Gaymer, Carlos F.; Palma, Alvaro T.; Petit, Ignacio; Varas, Eduardo; Muñoz Wilson, Alex; Sala, Enric (6 January 2016). "Marine Biodiversity in Juan Fernández and Desventuradas Islands, Chile: Global Endemism Hotspots". PLOS ONE. 11 (1). Journals.plos.org: e0145059. Bibcode:2016PLoSO..1145059F. doi:10.1371/journal.pone.0145059. PMC 4703205. PMID 26734732.

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 16:13, 26 August 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 16 March 2023

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: withdrawn. Treetoes023 (talk) 16:19, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

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Boundaries between the continents of Earth → Continental boundaries – This article's title is way longer than it needs to be, I propose that the title is changed to either "Continental boundary" or "Continental boundaries". Per WP:CONCISE. Treetoes023 (talk) 04:30, 16 March 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. 〜Festucalex • talk • contribs 05:53, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support makes sense to me. Current title is over long and its normal and expected to assume things are about Earth unless stated otherwise. Canterbury Tail talk 13:10, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
• Support the plural form. This article isn't about the generic topic, but is about the specific continental boundaries of Earth, so I think a plural title makes more sense here. Rreagan007 (talk) 16:46, 16 March 2023 (UTC)
  • @Rreagan007: Agreed, I'll alter my request. Treetoes023 (talk) 06:04, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose "Continental boundary" is ambiguous and confusing. From a geological perspective, continental boundary could mean a convergent boundary between two continental plates, such as the Himalayan Mountains between the Eurasian Plate and the Indian Plate. It could also mean a boundary between continental crust and oceanic crust. I reckon the current title is good enough, it is not too long. We have way longer titles in Wikipedia, such as this one:

Russian annexation of Donetsk, Kherson, Luhansk and Zaporizhzhia oblasts. N. Mortimer (talk) 04:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• @N. Mortimer: If it makes a difference I altered the request to move to the plural form instead as it is more distinctive from convergent boundary. – Treetoes023 (talk) 06:08, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose Per N. Mortimer. 120.16.92.71 (talk) 08:32, 19 March 2023 (UTC)
• Suggestion Change the title to "Boundaries between Earth's continents" is shorter and better. 120.16.92.71 (talk) 08:37, 19 March 2023 (UTC)

  That's an improvement but I still support the proposed plural title as concise and precise and common. Red Slash 20:36, 20 March 2023 (UTC)

• Oppose There is a well-reasoned argument against, while the arguments in favor are mostly frivolous. There is no proof the current title is causing a serious problem for readers. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 08:22, 22 March 2023 (UTC)
• Oppose. I agree with N. Mortimer that the proposed title would strongly suggest convergent boundary as the topic, and thus fails WP:PRECISE. Instead, I would propose continent demarcation as a shorter and more precise title (since wikt:demarcation is the act of drawing semi-arbitrary boundaries). However, I'm pretty late in the game so I'll save that for a future RM. No such user (talk) 12:53, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Page move

This article was recently renamed in good faith to Boundaries between the continents without sufficient discussion, so that page move was reverted. Editors feel free to open a fresh move request to discuss moving to any title that might be a better name for this article. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 00:07, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Paine Ellsworth Meh. None of the RM posters really liked the Boundaries between the continents of Earth title, we just opposed the "continental boundaries" proposal as misleading. The move was done boldly, but it still was an improvement: the only continents we know about are on Earth so it should be removed as redundant. I'm inclined to move it back and call it a day, instead of having another round of arduous RM. No such user (talk) 08:02, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Respect your opinion. Wouldn't have reverted if I didn't think there was some controversy about the article's name; therefore, think it calls for more discussion. Yes, oh yes, some RMs are "arduous", specially the more contentious ones, but this? C'mon. Are you really willing to just "settle"? Imho we should look for and find the highest and best title for this article. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 11:04, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Alright, "arduous" was hyperbolic. But I still think that removing "Earth" is uncontroversial (particularly from a Vogons' perspective) so I'll just "settle" for that. I don't think there's a straightforward alternative, since the proposed "continent boundaries" is blocked. No such user (talk) 08:25, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Armenia

For some reason, Armenia continues to be inserted in the sentence about Georgia [1]. If you take a close look at the European Parliament resolutions, the exact wording here refers only to Georgia, Moldova, and Ukraine. There is a separate European Parliament resolution on Armenia and it uses completely different language. I have nothing against Armenia but this page does not accurately reflect what the European Parliament wrote. 2A00:79E1:ABC:1A0A:DE3:BA3E:AA48:47EE (talk) 23:02, 1 April 2024 (UTC)

The EP has confirmed that Armenia may join since 2002 (see: [2]). Archives908 (talk) 23:26, 1 April 2024 (UTC)