Talk:Boris (given name)

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Boris Grozniy - russian czar — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.179.96.50 (talk • contribs) 18:46, 1 July 2005

Ivan Grozniy is the russian czar. There is no Boris Grozniy. Please sign your posts. --Yurik 05:20, 17 November 2005 (UTC)

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true, true, man. nice catch — Preceding unsigned comment added by Moskvech (talk • contribs) 23:24, 25 November 2005

So wait...

...my name is Bulgarian? --serbiana - talk 02:33, 22 July 2006 (UTC)

Actually it's proto-Bulgarian, i. e. it's brought by non-Slavic Bulgar tribes that conquered some South-Slavic lands and together with Slavic tribes from this area created new country and nation, Bulgaria as we know it today. -- rrw

Borat?

Why does Borat need to be listed on the Boris page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Whorepresents? (talk • contribs) 17:48, 11 May 2007

Meaning of boris...

can you please add the meaning of boris to this page. (what is the meaning of the word Boris...) thank you. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 220.227.213.114 (talk • contribs) 06:03, 19 May 2007

While back I read it meant "glorious battle" in ancient Slavic — Preceding unsigned comment added by 203.52.235.149 (talk • contribs) 04:10, 27 July 2007

Slavic name

Boris is much more likely Slavic in origin, possibly a short form of Borislav. On the Russian wikipedia page it is stated that this name was recorded among the early Polabian Slavs which had no contacts with any Turkic people at any point in history. It is also quite widespread in most Slavic states today. Sotnik (talk) 06:12, 22 January 2008 (UTC)

I did not delete any sources exept - Boris and Borislav being used interchangeably in the earliest written records [1] See entry for year 1152. (Під р. 6660=1152). Boris lived centries bevore 1152, (852–889). Also this source is not reliable for earliest written records. Please, read the new added sources in English and other languages before editing and deleting them. Regards! Jingby (talk) 17:39, 12 June 2008 (UTC)

Greetings. I'm not sure I understand the reason you think that my source is not legitimate or reliable. That's an academic website with the text form the Russian primary chronicle. Considering the closeness of Old Church Slavonic and Bulgarian, I'm sure you can read it. I realize Boris I is usually cited as the first record of the name, but when in Bulgarian records was he first called Boris as apposed to Bogoris? Its also entirely possible that the name was derived from two different sources (Bogoris and Borislav). In all the Russian name guides, the derivation from Borislav is listed as the most likely, specifically because there are examples of the names being used interchangeably. Thoughts? Sotnik (talk) 06:59, 13 June 2008 (UTC)

I am ready to discuss my edits! It is possible that some of them are not the best. According to that the name Борис was derived from two different sources Bogoris and Borislav I disagree. It is much possible that the name Борис derived from the slavic verb fight, in Bulgarian "бори се". The name Борислав appeared hunderts of years after Борис. It is much logical the name Борислав derived from Борис. Regards! Jingby (talk) 18:44, 14 June 2008 (UTC)

Sir Bors

Is Boris related to the name of the Knight of Arthurian legend Sir Bors? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zargulon (talk • contribs) 18:52, 4 July 2009

I don't believe there might be a connection. If the king Arthur movie was right or close to being right, it might as well be true. But otherwise, I just cannot see any connection.--Laveol ^T 19:44, 4 July 2009 (UTC)

List of countries

I removed Poland from the list of countries where the name is common. The name is actually very rare in that country. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 174.116.211.84 (talk) 18:41, 6 September 2009 (UTC)

So, I removed it again, because it extremaly unpopular name in Poland, less than 0,3% in yearly statistics. --Balazin78-- — Preceding undated comment added 08:40, 3 July 2011

Also in Czech Rep. is this name quite uncommon even if not exactly unpopular, with huge % of name bearers from Russian (macro)minority. According to official statistics, it got much less popularity than Jonáš, that is generally considered to be really uncommon name. --77.236.203.210 (talk) 00:34, 26 April 2012 (UTC)

Etymology

According to the highly regarded Swedish-language Nationalencyklopedin (the National Encyclopedia, found at NE.se), the origin of the name Boris is Borislav, composed of two words meaning 'war' and 'glory'. Although the Wikipedia article doesn't refute this explanation entirely, it states that it is unlikely. I realize that most contributors to English Wikipedia don't speak Swedish, and thus can't verify my claim, but could someone look into this matter? Since the source I'm referencing isn't updated as often as Wikipedia, it may well be that the information given there has later proven to be incorrect, although I generally consider NE to be more reliable.

/Jonte93 (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

As far as I know and with Boris being a Slavic word, I think it's the opposite. Borislav derives from Boris. Slav is a common Slavic addition to first names. While it does mean glory it also means Slav and this has to be taken in mind as well. --Laveol ^T 16:18, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

I checked again, just to be sure, and it does say in the article I referred to that Boris is a shortened version of Borislav. It is nonetheless possible that you're right. I think I'll contact NE about this, although I can't be sure to get an answer. Even so, I assume users aren't recommended to quote sources in other languages than English, though I've noticed it does occur.

/Jonte93 (talk) 16:53, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Hmmm, the Russian wiki seems to back up your version. I'd love to see some sources, though since none of the wikis has any. Would you mind quoting what NE has to say? I'm getting really curious over that. --Laveol ^T 18:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

From NE: "Boris, mansnamn av slaviskt ursprung, kortform av Borislav, sammansatt av ord för 'strid' och 'ära', 'beröm'. Namnet har funnits i svenskan (först i finlandssvenskan) sedan början av 1800-talet och var mest spritt under 1930- och 40-talen. "

My translation: Boris, male given name of Slavic origin, shortened version of Borislav, composed of words for 'battle' and 'glory', 'praise'. The name has occured in Swedish (first in Finland Swedish) since the beginning of the 19th (sic) century and reached its highest popularity (or literally: was the most spread) during the 1930s and '40s.

/Jonte93 (talk) 19:09, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Given name

Isn't given name a more common term?

/Jonte93 (talk) 17:56, 12 July 2010 (UTC)

Yes: WP:APO --Hutcher (talk) 01:06, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Boris is a Turkic name from cental Asia

Boris derived from Bars/Pars (snow leopard) is a Turkic name from cental Asia. Bulgars themselves are ancient Turkic peoples, Bulgaro-Tatar-Çhuvash Cuman/Kypchak people.

Baybars (Bay+Bars) of Mamluks is aother famous example. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.36.18.67 (talk) 16:16, 11 January 2014 (UTC)

True. Bars > Boris / And in the article it says: The most common theory is that this name comes from the Bulgar language with meanings according to the different interpretations: "wolf", "short" or "snow leopard". / Bars = "leopard" Böri (talk) 11:57, 8 February 2015 (UTC)

This "grounded" series?

This "Caillou gets grounded" series mentioned on the page is made with GoAnimate, so does it ACTUALLY meet the guidelines of notability? I mean, does it make this "grounded series" worth mentioning on the page? Seed of COSMO_{私に話す here} 21:52, 20 December 2015 (UTC)

i don't understand why 'borislav' as a possible origin isn't even mentioned

it seems this article was written with a heavy bulgarian bias 94.154.66.240 (talk) 06:33, 19 April 2016 (UTC)

But Borislav is a composite name, consisting of Boris and Slav, so it could only be the other way around. --Laveol ^T 09:41, 21 April 2016 (UTC)

No, Borislav does not include Boris. Boris can be a shortening of Borislav, but Borislav clearly means "glorious in struggle".--Reciprocist (talk) 11:16, 24 January 2020 (UTC)

Bur > Buris > Boris : from Thracian.

The correct etymolgy for "Boris" is not Bulgarian, but >Thracian "BURIS". With an albanian cognate: "BURRË" ("man"). One thing is sure: bulgarian language has some grammar elements that are NOT found in any other Slavic language (except modern macedonian, which is 83% the same as bulgarian, but also the language that is connected to albanian, lexically). There are "few" (actally many) similarties between albanian, romanian and bulgarian, modern macedonian. For example the definite suffix article; quite an albanian and romanian feature. Not slavic. All other slavic languages don't even have articles. The "burrë" etymolgy is supported by bulgarian linguists. But exactly this has been left out. Why? Looking at the references - 99% are bulgarian. And why is there no mentionen of "burrë", thracian "bur/buris"? Not a single reference. For gods dake, at least stay fair.

Example: 》the Thracian -buris (-boris) in the personal names of Muka-bur(is), -boris, etc. and the Albanian "burrë" ('man') from the IE *bhno-s. D. Dechev pointed to the presence of the same element in Celtic and Lidian personal names.《 ( - Ivan Durdidanov)

Albanian shares the same phonetical similarities with Thracian, like Balto and Slavic together. LAGTON (talk) 04:48, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

Any reliable sources? Jingiby (talk) 06:24, 5 March 2018 (UTC)

In other languages

This page should be linked with https://ru.wiki.x.io/wiki/Борис. I can't do it because of "Permission denied". — Preceding unsigned comment added by DsDante (talk • contribs) 00:42, 9 April 2020 (UTC)