Talk:Blue Lagoon Water Park, Pembrokeshire

Latest comment: 1 year ago by ModernDayTrilobite in topic Requested move 29 December 2022

Requested move 29 December 2022

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The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: Blue Lagoon Water Park moved to Blue Lagoon Water Park, Pembrokeshire, Blue Lagoon (waterpark) moved to Blue Lagoon, Queensland. This was a tricky discussion to analyze, as many different titles were proposed and many participants were amenable to a variety of options. My read of the consensus is as follows:
For the park in Pembrokeshire, the only two proposed titles to attract significant support were Blue Lagoon Water Park, Pembrokeshire and Blue Lagoon (Bluestone). Over the course of the discussion, comma-disambiguated titles came to be preferred over parenthetical disambiguation; it was highlighted that parenthetical disambiguation is dispreferred under WP:APARKS, and that comma disambiguation is more WP:CONSISTENT with other placenames in Commonwealth countries. Later participants in the discussion also showed no interest in incorporating "Bluestone" into the title. Thus, Blue Lagoon Water Park, Pembrokeshire achieved consensus.
For the park in Queensland, Blue Lagoon (Dreamworld) attained some early support; however, much of its support base was rooted in analogy with the proposed title of Blue Lagoon (Bluestone). Thus, since consensus supported omitting "Bluestone" from the Pembrokeshire park's title, Blue Lagoon (Dreamworld) was not left with a substantial support base. In its place, a rough consensus emerged around Blue Lagoon, Queensland, which uses the comma disambiguation preferred under WP:APARKS and follows the consensus that the term "water park" is unnecessary in the title of the Queensland attraction. (non-admin closure) ModernDayTrilobite (talkcontribs) 19:46, 2 February 2023 (UTC)Reply

– The titles of these two articles are ambiguous with each other. Other alternative titles may be reasonable, such as Blue Lagoon, Bluestone National Park Resort for the one in Wales and Blue Lagoon, Dreamworld for the one in Australia. Note that at least one of the cited sources for the Pembrokeshire topic (Western Telegraph) calls it "Blue Lagoon waterpark", so the presence or absence of a space character in "waterpark" is not sufficient for disambiguation purposes. Both water parks are also frequently referred to simply as "Blue Lagoon". However, please note that there is also another "Blue Lagoon" topic in Abereiddy, Pembrokeshire, and I think both that one and the waterpark are within the Pembrokeshire Coast National Park (but only one of them is part of the Bluestone National Park Resort). —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 18:55, 29 December 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. Colonestarrice (talk) 07:06, 14 January 2023 (UTC)Reply

"Blue Lagoon (Pembrokeshire)" would be ambiguous with the Blue Lagoon of Abereiddy, Pembrokeshire. —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:47, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
If the Pembrokeshire location is associated with a park/resort (which it is), then it could be "Blue Lagoon (Bluestone)" - this naming is demonstrated in a similar water park article, Six Flags Hurricane Harbor (Darien Lake). The naming standards for WikiProject Amusement Parks might be helpful as well. Harobouri🎢🏗️ (he/him • WP:APARKS) 16:40, 30 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
If so, then the other one could be "Blue Lagoon (Dreamworld)". —⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 03:05, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
That's an acceptable article name that I can also support. --Harobouri🎢🏗️ (he/him) 04:01, 31 December 2022 (UTC)Reply
That's not necessarily true, at least not as the common name in the cited sources. It just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. I just looked at the first six cited sources, and none of them fully consistently uses "Blue Lagoon Water Park" as the name of the park:
  1. This one only refers to it once, using "Blue Lagoon waterpark" (lowercase and only one word for "waterpark").
  2. This one is using "Blue Lagoon Water Park" twice and "Blue Lagoon" by itself once.
  3. This one uses "Blue Lagoon" by itself, with "Blue Lagoon Indoor Water Park" in the headline (and the "Indoor" before "Water Park" clearly destroys the proper noun idea).
  4. this one clearly only calls it just "Blue Lagoon" (five times, except in one place when quoting the park promoter, and what the park promoter uses in a quote shouldn't really count when evaluating what an independent source is doing).
  5. This one clearly only calls it just "Blue Lagoon".
  6. This one has one "Blue Lagoon Water Park" and one "Blue Lagoon", so it's mixed.
Wikipedia prefers concise common names over longer, possibly more official ones. Maybe we should include "Water Park" outside of parentheses in the title, but I don't think we should feel obligated to do that. (In my original proposed titles, I did include it.)
—⁠ ⁠BarrelProof (talk) 15:36, 21 January 2023 (UTC)Reply
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