Talk:Blade Runner (soundtrack)

May 2006 Cleanup

Okay -- I'm working on cleaning up this article a little bit. I've added images of the official sountrack releases. It seemed a little peculuar to include images of a bootleg cover, but not the two official releases.

I've re-arranged some of the headings to be a little more logical. The medium-based headings put insignificant bootleg releases at the top of the page, giving them priority over the official releases, and made some information unclear.

There is still more work to do -- I'd like to move some of the information from the introduction into the relevent sections below, and move some of the tables around to improve aesthetics. But before I move on, could someone demonstrate how to fix the problem with the "Original Releases" table running into the "Official Vangelis Score" heading? ~CS 22:34, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Excellent, RoyBoy. This is a much slicker looking article than it was a week ago. ~CS 23:40, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 18:49, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Done.--maf (talk-cont) 22:37, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Article Neutrality

Buyers of the Blade Runner soundtracks can be divided into two camps: fans of the movie, who mostly care about getting a complete and literal soundtrack of the movie, and fans of Vangelis, who mostly care about getting quality releases from the artist. (This is of course a rough depiction, many people range in between, myself being right in the middle.) The division can plainly be seen in reviews (on Amazon and similar web sites), where people bash the official soundtracks for lacking some pieces of music heard in the movie, while others defend Vangelis as an artist who cares about releasing music albums, and who does not dump random snippets of sounds on a disc to make a quick buck.

It appears to me that this article, with its emphasis on bootleg releases, with a certain impatience towards a complete release ("still not complete", "still some music heard in the film that is missing"), and a striking disdain for the third disc in the 25th Anniversary Trilogy, should be more neutral and balanced. In particular, compared to other articles about Vangelis releases, I find there is almost discussion of the music itself.

194.2.91.222 (talk) 14:50, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

I agree, the numerous tables and lists for the various bootlegs and missing cues illustrate nicely the obsessive-completist collector bias of the article. Ricadus (talk) 03:46, 9 February 2009 (UTC)

Third Disc of the Trilogy

Currently, all the article says about it is "The third disc contains new material inspired by Blade Runner.". This is probably the tersest depiction of any work of Vangelis presently featured in Wikipedia. This is striking, since most Vangelis fans consider this disc could be a separate album. Made of only new music, in a style simultaneously modern and original, while still reminiscent of many previous works (The City, Direct, Voices, and Blade Runner of course), many consider it to be the most interesting release of the artist since the mid-90s.

Should that disc be discussed here (where "half" of the readership, as discussed above, actively dislike it), or should a separate article be written? Apparently, a separate article was once written for the Trilogy, which now redirects here. How to handle the case of a disc in a release which is strikingly different and separate from the others? 194.2.91.222 (talk) 15:03, 5 September 2008 (UTC)

Notes on November 2008 edit

The "Themes" album contained two original Blade Runner tracks. Memories of Green, while featured in the movie was from an earlier Vangelis album, See You Later (1980), which was neither rare, nor unavailable. Since the article implied that its appearance on Themes marked some kind of landmark appearance of previously unavailable material, this has been clarified. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Akahige719 (talk • contribs) 17:39, 26 November 2008 (UTC)

Similarities between "One More Kiss, Dear" and "Bring Me Sunshine"

Until recently, I'd always assumed that most people were aware of the similarities between the Vangelis/Peter Skellern song and Bring Me Sunshine, the song which was made famous by British comedy duo Morecambe and Wise. I personally think accusations of plagiarism would be too strong, but the songs do bear a striking resemblance. After a big discussion among my social circle (including several self-confessed 'sci-fi geeks'), I was surprised to discover that only about one third of us were aware of such a debate. Of those that were, most thought that it was common knowledge that one was a 'blatant rip-off' (to quote one person) of the other. Is this something that others out there are aware of? If so, I feel that some mention of this controversy should appear on either this page or the one for Bring Me Sunshine. Dom Kaos (talk) 12:25, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

I just listened to Bring Me Sunshine and I found no similarity to One More Kiss, Dear. At all. The only thing I can see they have in common is someone singing to a lover. For anyone to say that the latter is a "blatant rip-off" of the former sounds like nonsense to me, to be perfectly honest. I am really puzzled by this comment. Rodrigo de Salvo Braz (talk) 00:59, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

And without reliable independent sources drawing such an alleged connection, there is nothing to say about it in our article, and no reason, per WP:NOT#FORUM, to continue discussing it here. An alleged "controversy" on old Internet forums is not of encyclopedic interest; it's not an encyclopedic-level controversy until multiple reliable sources address it in detail.  — SMcCandlish ☏ ¢ 😼  02:43, 30 August 2023 (UTC)

Reasons for the original delay in releasing the album

Why aren't the reasons discussed? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 121.44.27.53 (talk) 20:12, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Because they have not been clarified by Vangelis or the film's director & producers. Vangelis was commissioned at the insistence of Ridley Scott (based on the impression that Memories of Green had made on the director — he says "I was particularly taken with a piece of music entitled "Memories of Green", which Vangelis had composed for an earlier album called See You Later. But this piece was so perfect for Blade Runner, so evocative of the world I was trying to create, I thought it was in many ways the perfect unofficial theme for the film.") and Scott visited Nemo studio to hear work in progress.

Because of this close collaboration between director and composer it is possible that Vangelis subsequently exercised a right of veto on the release of the album, in support of Scott when the film studio imposed the infamous voice-over and narrative ending changes to the film.

Following the release of the restored Director's Cut version of the film, where the enforced changes were removed, Vangelis cryptically writes in the album notes that "finding myself unable to release these recordings at the time," [i.e.1982] "it is with great pleasure that I am able to do so now".

But this is too much a subjective POV to put into a wikipedia article.

I agree this POV should not be put into wikipedia unless shown to be correct, but I have also been thinking along the same lines. Ridley Scott did use Vangelis' music shortly after Blade Runner for a UK commercial, which used the music of the Opening Titles from BR, the BR music was altered a bit, probably by Vangelis himself. I never bought all this talk that there was a rift between the director and composer.

Ricadus (talk) 22:19, 20 April 2010 (UTC)

Arsing nonsense

This article represents everything that is wrong with Wikipedia. It is written by someone whose sole motivation is to empty the contents of his head. Please rewrite - but this time make a list of the 3, or 5, things your readers may like to know, then write about them in a way that can be followed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Rbowman (talk • contribs) 23:57, 29 April 2009 (UTC)

Since different readers "like to know" different things, that qualifies as a bad idea. If you feel the article should not exist, then proceed accordingly. But as this article is spillover from the featured Blade Runner article, it seems fine on the grand scheme of things. Do you object to the track listings? - RoyBoy 22:36, 5 December 2009 (UTC)

The majority of the text reads like a sales pitch for the bootlegger's version of the soundtrack. --Ricadus (talk) 01:56, 27 January 2011 (UTC)

Opening sentences

The opening sentences need to be rewritten so that the opening link is not to the film. It currently says:

Blade Runner is the soundtrack album to the film of the same name directed by Ridley Scott. The soundtrack was composed by Vangelis.

This is bad writing and misleading linking. ---RepublicanJacobite_{The'FortyFive'} 16:55, 27 April 2010 (UTC)

30th Anniversary Release

It seems something (soundtrack? score?) was released on the 30th anniversary. It would be great if someone who has this or knows details about it could add it to this page. thanks!

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