Talk:Bison hunting

How could Winfield Scott comment on the buffalo in 1867 when he died in 1866? Please correct!

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A pile of American bison skulls, waiting to be ground for fertilizer; a man stands atop the pile, with another in front of it. Bison, long a staple of Plains Indian tribal culture, were aggressively hunted by European settlers in the United States, nearly leading to the extinction of the species.Photograph: Unknown; Restoration: Chick Bowen

Characterization in Picture of the Day

The way the text is worded in the picture of the day implies that Bison extinction came about due to the activities of Plains Indians, but I believe a much stronger case could be made that it was European settlers that created the overall problem in population. The picture of the day text should be reworded somewhat to reflect this. -- Avanu (talk) 02:42, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

I'm not sure if this has been edited since you posted, but I think your perspective s already reflected in the text. It states they were a long time staple of the Native Americans (which they were), but then specifically states that aggressive European hunting was their downfall. I'm not sure how more directly this could be worded.204.65.34.132 (talk) 14:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

That is because I edited the include that you see above. That edit was not reflected in the Picture of the Day on the Main Page. -- Avanu (talk) 01:11, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

All Bisons

This page only describe American bison hunting, European bisons are also bisons, hunting of them should also be described. 202.123.130.53 (talk) 02:47, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

Speculative impact

Anthropologists have written on the impact... but the heavy-handed speculative essay that one had editor added is heavily polemical. It relies for example on Winona LaDuke --She is a novelist and was Ralph Nader's running mate in the Green Party Presidential ticket. Rjensen (talk) 06:02, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

we really need some more serious scholarship than Laduke, who has no scholarly credentials whatever. (She is a novelist). Rjensen (talk) 20:40, 30 March 2015 (UTC)

Peer Review

Hello! I'm one of your peer reviewers, it would be interesting to hear a little bit more about the transition of indigenous peoples onto reservations and whether or not it was directly recorded that they were purposefully moved onto reservations away from buffalo population or if it just ended up that way? Also I would be interested to know the timing - what was the buffalo population like when they were moved onto the reservations? Also has the indigenous populations today played any role in the modern day buffalo resurgence? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Alexa cotton (talk • contribs) 17:48, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

The reservation policy had been set by the government decades before anyone realized there was a risk of a sharp decline in the Buffalo population. By 1859 the main goals of reservations was to push the Indians to develop a more modern society, enable the payment of annual federal subsidies, set up churches schools and medical services, and stop the Indian tribes from battling each other, and attacking white travelers and settlers. The visible decline of the Buffalo came in a very short period of the matter of two or three years in the 1870s. Rjensen (talk) 18:55, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

As it turns out, this is addressed in Isenberg's The Destruction of the Bison: An Environmental History, 1750-1920 in chapter 5 and especially page 128. More detail is in David D. Smits' "The Frontier Army and the Destruction of the Buffalo: 1865-1883." Isenberg gives a summary of how Smits' argument is received in the historical literature and makes a pitch (129-30) for a combination of factors, environmental and political/cultural.--Carwil (talk) 03:02, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Could you possibly speak to the spiritual impact of the resurgence of bison? I think it would be particularly interesting to see how natives today view the bison and compare both its past and present uses. Just like Alexa mentioned about hearing more of the transition onto reservations, what about the transition into our 21st century society? Evan.j.miranda (talk) 04:41, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Canada

Are there Bison hunting in Canada for fifht with first nation?--Kaiyr (talk) 14:24, 22 November 2015 (UTC)

Characterization of agency in the extreme overhunting

I'm concerned about what i sense as a contentious point of view in the section "19th century bison hunts and near extinction". I need to take more time and get into the range of sources on this, but what i read now strikes me as a rather Eurocentric apologism, and passing the blame on to native people. I think the story is probably very complex, but that the way it's portrayed is probably biased. Like i said, i need to find a wide range of sources and see the range of explanations. We need to truly abide by WP:NPOV. So i open this discussion to get input of other editors, and to open the topic. SageRad (talk) 11:33, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

Toward this end, i have found this source, an essay called "In the Prime of the Buffalo" in Overland monthly and Out West magazine (Volume 14, Issue 83, Nov 1889; pp. 515-520) which says:

Thirty years ago millions of the great unwieldy animals existed on this continent. Innumerable droves roamed, comparatively undisturbed and unmolested, . . . Many thousands have been ruthlessly and shamefully slain every season for past twenty years or more by white hunters and tourists merely for their robes, and in sheer wanton sport, and their huge carcasses left to fester and rot, and their bleached skeletons to strew the deserts and lonely plains.

I see that this source is not yet in the article, and it seems useful. I will add this to the section on this topic. SageRad (talk) 15:57, 3 February 2016 (UTC)

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Hello Roman953: Thanks for adding the citation. The format can be a bit complicated so I think I followed your intention in changing the format. If you think the citation is sufficient for the content it follows, the "Citation needed" template can be deleted. Cheers, Fettlemap (talk) 00:09, 9 March 2022 (UTC)

Internal contradictions

There’s a contradiction within the article

“Unlike Indigenous practices, where hunters took only what was needed and used the whole animal, these settlers hunted them en masse for only their skins and tongues and left the rest of the animal behind to decay on the ground.”

Directly contradicts the prior section on cliff based hunting.

“Working on foot, a few groups of Native Americans at times used fires to channel an entire herd of buffalo over a cliff, sometimes killing far more than they could use”

it seems like the best course of action would be to drop the ”unlike indigenous practices” part as it is unnecessary to describe the mass bison killing and contradicts the buffalo jump section. 71.232.12.79 (talk) 12:28, 3 September 2024 (UTC)