Talk:Bernardino Ochino

Notes

Correction of "vet" to "vel": I had the same thought, but a Google search seemed to indicate that "et" is ok (and makes some sense, right?).
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I have a problem with this statement: "[his conversion] illustrated the justice of Luther's description of justification by faith alone as the articulus stantis vel cadentis ecclesiae, the vital point whose acceptance or rejection drew everything else along with it." I know that the text comes from 1880, but this kind of bias is not proper in an open, nonpartisan encyclopedia. To claim that Luther's position is just is to accept his point of view as superior.

Itahist 17:03, 1 March 2007 (UTC)

agree --Isidoros47 (talk) 20:00, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

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Calvinism? Seriously?

How could Ochino be seen as a 'permanent Calvinist' when his work, according to THIS Wikipedia article, began to undermine Calvin's five points (TULIP, etc.)?

In 1553 the accession of Mary I drove Ochino from England. He went to Basel, where Lelio Sozzini and the lawyer Martino Muralto were sent to secure Ochino as pastor of the Italian church at Zürich, which Ochino accepted. The Italian congregation there was composed mainly of refugees from Locarno. There for 10 years Ochino wrote books which gave increasing evidence of his alienation from the orthodoxyaround him. The most important of these was the Labyrinth, a discussion of the freedom of the will, covertly undermining the Calvinistic doctrine of predestination.

In 1563 a long simmering storm burst on Ochino with the publication of his Thirty Dialogues, in one of which his adversaries maintained that he had justified polygamy under the disguise of a pretended refutation. His dialogues on divorce and against the Trinity were also considered heretical.

To me it seems reasonable to include Ochino in the Calvinism project but not to CALL him a Calvinist thinker, since he left the fold. MaynardClark (talk) 02:14, 26 August 2014 (UTC)