Talk:Beormingas

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Unsupported claims?

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There are two claims that are mentioned here that seem to be referenced to Bassett's article, but I can't see which bits of Bassett's article support them.

The idea that the area around Birmingham would have been called "The Beormings" as "The Rodings" are in Essex. Bassett does compare the two areas, but surely uses the Rodings as another example of multiple settlements forming a single tribal area, later represented by a Minster-parish, rather than making any specific claims about what the settlements in the Birmingham area would have been called? Isn't that taking it a bit too literally?
I've always had a feeling that the number of "Brom-" placenames surrounding "Brum" must be more than a coincidence too, but I couldn't see anything in Bassett supporting this, or singling out the places listed here as examples of Beormingas Tribal Settlements. Bromsgrove, in particular, falling within the territory of the Hwicce, presumably wasn't even Mercian/Anglian, let alone specifically Beormingas?

If there are bits of Bassett's article that do support these, it would probably be best to stick in Harvard references pointning to the specific pages to keep it all watertight.JimmyGuano (talk) 19:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

You're quite right. This was one of my first attempts and it sat there unchallenged! The text of this article has pretty much remained unchanged from my first draft, which I reworked from Beorma, but looking at what you've picked up its clear it does need reworking, and I'll get on to this. To clarify:

I should have said the area around Birmingham could not would have been called "the Beormings", and re-reading the article it's an inference not an implication. It does come across as overstated.
The place-names quoted aren't from Bassett - the final sentence of that paragraph needs multiple references as it was an oversimplified contraction of several sentences pulled together from Hutton, Gelling, Bassett and some notes relating to the Bromleys and The Forest of Arden. I'll need to track my notes down - I recall that the sites mentioned were those woodland clearings on the fringes of the Forest of Arden which used Ber- or Broom- as part of their etymology - Bromsgrove happened to fit that pattern.Metabaronic (talk) 21:53, 1 June 2010 (UTC)Reply

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