Talk:Ben Hogan

Weasel Words

Please do not say "one of the greatest players" without citations. Jbossbarr, June 10, 2007.

I'm sorry, he's one of 5 men to complete the career grand slam (To win all 4 majors), he is the man the developed the modern golf swing and his teachings are still used today, these aren't weasel words that need citation, this is a fact to anyone who knows golf history. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Gjones77 (talk • contribs) 19:48, 18 January 2008 (UTC)

Weight

Weight 140lbs? Is this an averages over his lifetime? What about a golfer who starts slim and gets "unslim" later on, or Jack Nicklaus who went in the other direction (beginning his career as "Ohio Fats" before becoming a rather slender chap in the 70s)

Place of Birth

Does anyone have a source for Stephenville, as opposed to Dublin?

Sure do, "An American Life, Ben Hogan"

His biography, just read it, great book.

Second World War

Someone's added it in, but I'm not sure that Hogan's career was affected by WWII?

I don't think he joined the military or anything. It certainly is the case that golf generally changed after c.1945, but I think Hogan was still playing during the war years?

He was second in the 1942 Masters for instance, and seems to have done well generally from '39 to '45 where Major Tournamnet play was on offer.

83.141.127.39 21:11, 24 November 2006 (UTC)

Ben Hogan served in the Army Air Corps during WWII, but never left the US.

Perhaps Ben Hogan's greatest success was in winning the US Open 4 times. Due to WWII, the US Open was not held from 1942 to 1945. This certainly affected his career.John ISEM 13:54, 13 April 2007 (UTC)

Win lists

The list of PGA Tour wins is based on the lists on his profile on the World Golf Hall of Fame site. There is a list of majors (9) and a list of other PGA titles (54). That adds up to 63, but sources generally agree that he won 64 PGA titles in total (including the retrospective designation of his Open Championship as a PGA Tour title). The discrepancy seems to be that the World Golf Hall of Fame's list does not have a comma between "Dallas Invitational" and "North and South Open" (which was played at Pinehurst, a course that is nowhere near Dallas) making it appear that he had 12 wins that year (including the PGA Championship). The fact that he actually had 13 is very well attested as it was the second winningmost year in PGA TOur history. I haven't been able to combine the two lists in line with normal practice on Wikipedia because I don't know where the majors fell in the chronology. Osomec 15:41, 31 March 2006 (UTC) Results Timeline for the majors is wrong: 1941 Masters = DNP. The Masters own website www.masters.org has him coming 4th that year. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 148.188.240.252 (talk) 00:40, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Another correction on the win list is the 1941 Asheville Open. This error is repeated on his PGA Tour stats page. According to the Wilmington Morning Star, March 31, 1941, FINAL EDITION, Page 6, it was the Asheville "Land of the Sky" Open. This was his second victory in a row at this event.

The Asheville Open was an LPGA event from 1957 to 1960. Tovias (talk) 09:04, 8 July 2022 (UTC)

The Non-Grand Slam of 1953

Is it possible to verify that the (British) Open and (US) PGA Championships of 1953 were played at the same time? I have heard this before, but I have also heard it being contradicted.

In any case, my understanding is that Hogan did not play the PGA Championship after his second victory in 1948 because, as a 36-hole-a-day matchplay event and in the aftermath of his crash, it was too strenuous for him. Indeed even before the crash, he had said that he would not play in it again (http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2004/history_1948.html)

In any case, the 1953 PGA Championship was played between July 1-7 (http://www.pga.com/pgachampionship/2004/history_1953.html) but I cannot find the date of the Open Championship.

The British Open was played July 6-10 in 1953, so it was impossible for him to play both. --Tewapack 22:33, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Those dates are correct, therefore the British Open was the fourth major of the year. The section stresses that Hogan is the only man to win the first three majors of the year, but he didn't do that, he won the first, second, and fourth. Davexvi (talk) 22:00, 5 January 2012 (UTC)

Anecdotes

I would like to see a new section in the article devoted to anecdotes about Hogan. There are so many of them, and they usually involve a pithy punchline delivered by Hogan. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.242.113.198 (talk) 02:11, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Left Handed

In Ben Hogan's Five Lessons he states the following: "I was born left-handed - that was the normal way for me to do things. I was switched over to doing things right-handed when I was a boy but I started golf as a left-hander because the first club I ever came into posession of, an old five-iron, was a left handed stick." —Preceding unsigned comment added by 12.149.8.201 (talk) 19:12, 13 March 2009 (UTC)

"Five Lessons" section should be eliminated or severely scaled down

As much as I enjoy the information in this section, it's basically a plagiarization, and poorly-done one at that. I count some 20 footnotes that cite the book in the section, all without specific page numbers. Furthermore, it's an overly long section that is all but an article in itself. Wikipedia's Ben Hogan article, as a whole, is supposed to be about Ben Hogan. While I appreciate the influence of his Five Lessons book, I'm not aware of any other golfer with a Wikipedia article whose book is regurgitated on this website virtually chapter and verse. Frankly, the Ben Hogan entry is an article that is a bit cluttered and lengthy already. It needs to be cleaned up to be worthy of its subject, and the "Five Lessons" section should be either removed in its entirety or cut down to a brief synopsis of the book.Harry Yelreh (talk) 06:06, 16 December 2013 (UTC)