Talk:Beauty Without Cruelty

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Contested deletion

This is a stub about a well-known cosmetics company, and the article is adequately sourced. I've added a second source just to make sure. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 18:56, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

There seems very little about it available on the Internet, other than its own website and a few other places selling it which is surprising for a well known company. How does it meet the notability guidelines? noq (talk) 19:06, 16 July 2012 (UTC)

Hi Noq, sorry for the delaying in responding. If you look on Google Books and Google Scholar, you'll find a few sources for it. I would say it's definitely notable enough for an entry. Hopefully someone (possibly me) will expand it beyond a stub one day. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 19:26, 18 July 2012 (UTC)

Recent edits

Hi Vperez, I agree that this article needs expanding, but the problem is you're copying material word for word from the company. It's also not clear what it means (that someone was the "driving force"). Ideally we would use independent sources to write a detailed account of the company's history. The company can be used as a source too, but we can't copy their words or tone. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 01:00, 3 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi, regarding the list of approved products, per this source, is that list available anywhere on a BWC site? The source does link to BWC, but I can't find that list on their site. SlimVirgin ^(talk) 03:44, 4 December 2012 (UTC)

Controversy with beauty products in China (in general, but this is a good example)

I had some discussions with different people about this topic and I learned that in China, no cosmetics, body products or medicine can be sold, if it's not animal tested. Is this true? Could not find any reference to that information. Are there other countries, which apply the same law about animal testing? Thanks for your reply. --huggi - never stop exploring (talk) 09:05, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

- Sorry: found the reference here: Testing_cosmetics_on_animals#Other_statuses, so would you mention this as pro or contra about this product for e.g.?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Huggi (talk • contribs) 09:08, 21 August 2015 (UTC)

Feedback for User:Haleyjlerner

@Haleyjlerner: Your two initial attempts to contribute to this article were reverted: [1] and [2]. In the second edit, The reverting editor explains that the edits seemed like promotion and that it was not improving the article. If your work is undone, you should work to understand why and then try to address these concerns rather just adding it back.

In terms of the material you added, I think there are important changes you need to make. The history section needs to be rewritten so that it has a neutral point of view and a encyclopedic tone. Your text includes phrases like "played a huge role", "came to the rescue", "BWC's respectable purpose and fair pricing." In all of these cases, this sounds like material that is promotional and not a disinterested, encyclopedic tone. Check out WP:PROMOTION for more detail. It sounds like you might be enthusiastic about BWC's products. That's great, but the purpose of the Wikipedia article to provide readers with a disinterested and neutral description. I'm not sure the material you've added does that yet.

Similarly, the references you've added are (2 out of 3) to the companies own websites and FB group. This might help establish facts, but these primary sources are not as valuable as third-party references that can help further establish the notability. Why don't you search in newspapers or other media sources for coverage in third party sources to support some of the claims?

Finally, the list you've added is probably inappropriate for an article. Maybe if you write this as a paragraph or sentence it would make more sense.

I hope this helps! Good luck improving this! —mako๛ 23:42, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

Feedback for your article!

@Haleyjlerner: Hi! Your article is off to a great start. I read through it and it seems like you have touched upon the important aspects that needed to be addressed on! I would say perhaps you could add some images to spice up your wiki page! I would also think that it would be a great idea to expand more regarding "How BWC differs from other products." I think this section would be great to focus on and also to maybe add more information to support your wikipedia page. You could also mention on why and how BWC was started more in depth and possibly which countries they practice in! Overall, it is very much well done! Halimnat (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

I'm sorry to say that there are several mistakes in this article about my mother, Muriel Dowding's Beauty Without Cruelty Charity and the later formation of BWC Ltd. cosmetic company ( formed to get around the trading restrictions of charity law at that time). In 1970 I gave up my aeronautical career following the death of my stepfather, ACM Lord Dowding, and served as marketing & production director of the company working with Mrs Kathleen Long, and finally joint managing director. In 1973 I moved to be executive director of the chatiy, travelling extensively overseas to document on film animal abuse for the fur and cosmetic trades.

See extracts from one of my films from our very active BWC Charity branch in India: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_U6e-vuLcpA&ab_channel=BWCIndia

One of my daughters is working to correct the several errors and expand the history of both the charity and trading company. I could tell much more from firsthand experience, but unfortunately my testimony will not meet the Wikipedia rules. If I can be of any further assistance, please contact me. David Whiting. Silksheen (talk) 00:07, 1 May 2023 (UTC)

Feedback for your article

@Haleyjlerner: Hello! This is a great read. It shows notability, because this is an company that is worth noting due to what it benefits, Animal Rights. You keep a neutral tone, such as you would in an Britannica. Very informative. It's easy to navigate, you've organized the sections neatly. Pictures would be a great addition but I know its a hard process trying to get the "okay" to use it. Overall, its great. Good jobMariaMamba11 (talk) 06:53, 6 November 2015 (UTC)

Charity or a company? What country?

I changed then reverted the country to the UK because I was confused about the fact that it is also a British charity. I still think the article is very confusing in this respect. The categories are also related to the UK, rather than South Africa. Does anyone have any clarity on this?—Preceding unsigned comment added by Throughthemind (talk • contribs) 18:52, 1 July 2020 (UTC)

I've tagged this in the lede. It looks like the company and the charity may be unrelated. The South African charity may have been created/rose to prominence in the isolation period under apartheid, so it could well have evolved independently of the UK company. Park3r (talk) 01:44, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

The charity and the cosmetics companies all come from the same root: Beauty Without Cruelty founded in England in 1959 which became an international organisation, comprising BWC charitable trust and BWC Ltd (cruelty-free cosmetics and apparel). I've submitted a detailed history for review (Gaia20202/sandbox) Gaia20202 (talk) 12:53, 30 January 2024 (UTC)

The Gaia20202/sandbox detailed history review has been moved to Draft:Beauty Without Cruelty. Gaia20202 (talk) 13:46, 30 January 2024 (UTC)