Talk:Bayswater, Western Australia

GA Review

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Reviewer: Whiteguru (talk · contribs) 07:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 

Starts Good Article Review Page. Hopefully we will start the review shortly. Thank you       --Whiteguru (talk) 07:46, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

 

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Observations

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)

1. It is reasonably well written.

   a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists):

• HTML document size: 308 kB
• Prose size (including all HTML code): 74 kB
• References (including all HTML code): 145 kB
• Wiki text: 103 kB
• Consider the rule of thumb given in WP:SIZERULE
• Consider Balcatta, Booragoon, Canning Vale, Cannington, Forrestfield, Osborne Park, Willetton, These are all inner suburbs of Perth. These pages do not have any similar extensive history for the early settlement of the inner suburbs of Perth.
• Compared to the History of (chosen at random) of these suburbs Balga,Bassendean, City Beach, Cottesloe, Freemantle, Guildford, Innaloo, Jindalee, Kewdale, Leederville, Mount Hawthorn, Nedlands, Redcliffe, Scarborough, South Guildford, Thornlie, Welshpool and Wilson, the history section of this article is both over large and over extended. It relies principally on one source, and we have to assume good faith as the source is not accessible. (That is not a complaint.) The only suburb that has any comparable history is Thornlie. Freemantle, the port, has an audaciously short page for a suburb of Perth.
• European colonisation has 5 paragraphs and one quote;
• Initial development in the 1880's has 6 paragraphs and one quote;
• New services in the 1890's has 4 paragraphs;
• After Federation has 7 paragraphs
• Post World War II has 6 paragraphs
• 21st century has 2 paragraphs.
• This article may benefit if the sections Initial development, After Federation and Post World War II were truncated to 4 paragraphs each.
• Given the history of floods in the region, the Geography section provides good coverage of drainage issues.
• Reference 76 goes to the Albany Electoral District?
• Nonetheless, good work on the design and layout of the Polling results for State and Federal seats.

1. It is factually accurate and verifiable.

   a (reference section): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism):

• The History section relies on a single source.
• Heading "After Federation" does not need to be a link; remove the link and place a hatnote, see also Federation
• Reference 33 is a dead link. Use the Wayback Machine

1. It is broad in its coverage.

   a (major aspects): b (focused):

• In the Governance section, it might be best to link to City of Bayswater's "Elected Members" page. (What to do when the elected councillors change?)
• Are there any references available for the two railway proposals vis-a-vis Bayswater as a junction for new lines?

1. It follows the neutral point of view policy.

   Fair representation without bias:

1. It is stable.

   No edit wars, etc.:

• Page created 14 November 2006
• Prose size (including all HTML code): 74 kB
• References (including all HTML code): 145 kB
• Prose size (text only): 44 kB (7468 words) "readable prose size"
• Page has 191 edits by 67 editors and currently has status.
• 90 day page views = 1,838 views with a daily average of 20
• 131 pages link to this page; there are 199 external links from this page.
• examination of page history reveals steady improvement and nil edit warring.
• Page is considered stable.

1. It is illustrated by images and other media, where possible and appropriate.

   a (images are tagged and non-free content have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):

• Page has 16 images.
• File:King William Street from Bayswater Bridge 1.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:Metropolitan Perth.svg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 2.5 Generic license.
• File:Ribbon grants of the Bayswater area, Swan River Colony.png = is in the public domain in the United States because it was published (or registered with the U.S. Copyright Office) before January 1, 1926.
• File:Bayswater Estate advertisement in The Daily News.png = is of Australian origin and is now in the public domain because its term of copyright has expired. According to the Australian Copyright Council (ACC), ACC Information Sheet G023v17 (Duration of copyright)
• File:McLeish's Store, Bayswater, 1905.jpg = is of Australian origin and is now in the public domain because its term of copyright has expired. According to the Australian Copyright Council (ACC), ACC Information Sheet G023v17 (Duration of copyright)
• File:Meltham Heights townsite map.png = is of Australian origin and is now in the public domain because its term of copyright has expired. According to the Australian Copyright Council (ACC), ACC Information Sheet G023v17 (Duration of copyright)
• File:Bayswater Post Office, 1942.jpg = is of Australian origin and is now in the public domain because its term of copyright has expired. According to the Australian Copyright Council (ACC), ACC Information Sheet G023v17 (Duration of copyright)
• File:E37 King William Street shops near Bayswater Subway (October 2020).JPG = Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
• File:Bayswater, Western Australia map.png = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:A.P. Hinds Reserve 02.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:Bayswater Russian Orthodox Church 1.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:E37 Bayswater Library from west (October 2020).JPG = Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
• File:E37 War memorial at Ben Wright Park (from south-west).JPG = Creative Commons CC0 1.0 Universal Public Domain Dedication.
• File:Bayswater Primary School 03.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:Hillcrest Primary School administation from Bay View Street 2.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.
• File:Meltham railway station from footbridge 2.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license
• File:May Street Bayswater Bike Boulevard 4.jpg = Creative Commons Attribution-Share Alike 4.0 International license.

1. Overall:

• A most comprehensive (if not the most comprehensive) history of the origins and development of a suburb of Perth and the genesis of a local government authority battling with floods, inundations and uneven development of housing, industry and education, along with serious erosion on the riverbank. A very well written article.
• That said, the history sections are long in the tooth and some truncation has been recommended. Other minor issues may be resolved quickly.
• Happy to discuss issues raised. --Whiteguru (talk) 08:24, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

 

 On hold

 

• I will crack on with the history section soon. I aim to get it down to slightly longer than Hamersley, Western Australia#History (a featured article), as Bayswater has existed for longer than Hamersley.
• Reference 76 covers all electoral districts in WA. Scroll down. The 2001 state election doesn't have results on a webpage like the more recent elections.
• I have put in a new link for reference 33 that isn't dead. Annoying that that website seems to change its url every year.
• For the local government section, I put the year of expiry for each councillor's term.
• Added references for the train section. I can't believe I didn't realise that paragraph had no references before.

Steelkamp (talk) 10:05, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• I have now cut down the history section. I've cut down the section on European colonisation considerably instead of the other sections as I decided it had the least important information in it. Each section has had paragraphs trimmed.

Steelkamp (talk) 16:04, 27 June 2021 (UTC)

• • Steelkamp Thank you for your edits. Very pleasing work. It's a good read, this article. --Whiteguru (talk) 01:02, 28 June 2021 (UTC)

 

 Passed

 

Did you know nomination

The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by SL93 (talk) 01:44, 25 July 2021 (UTC)

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• Comment or view
• Article history

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• ... that when the Fremantle–Guildford railway line opened in 1881, people would get off at Bayswater, Western Australia, hike through bushland, and take a boat across the Swan River to get to Perth Racecourse? Source: May, Catherine (2013). Changes they've seen: the city and people of Bayswater 1827-2013. Morley, W.A.: City of Bayswater. p. 31. ISBN 9780646596082. – "Racegoers used the [Fremantle–Guildford railway] line to travel as far as the point opposite the racecourse, which happened to be Location U, and then to make the route march through the bush to the riverbank, where enterprising boatmen were waiting."
  • ALT1:... that an 1885 advertisement in the Daily News for an estate in Bayswater, Western Australia was probably the largest ever real estate advertisement in Western Australia at the time? Source: May, Catherine (2013). Changes they've seen : the city and people of Bayswater 1827-2013. Morley, W.A.: City of Bayswater. p. 33. ISBN 9780646596082. – When we next hear of Location U in July 1885, Rogers has transformed it, at least for publicity purposes, into a rural paradise of five-acre lots named 'The Bayswater Estate', and presented it to the public in probably the largest land sale advertisement to appear in the conservative Western Australia press.¹⁸ Endnotes: 18. Daily News, 9 July 1885.
  • ALT2:... that Mertome Village in Bayswater, Western Australia was the first aged care complex to be built by a local government in Australia? Source: May, Catherine (2013). Changes they've seen : the city and people of Bayswater 1827-2013. Morley, W.A.: City of Bayswater. p. 280. ISBN 9780646596082. – Mertome Village was the first aged care persons complex in Australia to be built by a local government body, with the aid of newly available Commonwealth funding.
  • ALT3:... that 33 houses were resumed for railway marshalling yards in Bayswater, Western Australia during the 1950s, but the marshalling yards were never built? Source: May, Catherine (2013). Changes they've seen : the city and people of Bayswater 1827-2013. Morley, W.A.: City of Bayswater. p. 236. ISBN 9780646596082. – Shortly afterwards, Bayswater was threatened with the placement of the railway marshalling yards about to be relocated from East Perth within its boundaries ... Nevertheless, the land was resumed, thirty-three houses demolished or shifted to other places ... After several years more suburban growth, the Stephenson Plan recommended that the planned site be changed.⁴⁶ This was no doubt a happy development for the district...

• Reviewed: None

Improved to Good Article status by Steelkamp (talk). Self-nominated at 10:35, 28 June 2021 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
New enough: Long enough:

Policy compliance:

• Adequate sourcing:
• Neutral:
• Free of copyright violations, plagiarism, and close paraphrasing:
• Other problems: - "Road" section is not sourced, but appears to have been derived from an accurate map

Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Cited: - Offline/paywalled citation accepted in good faith Interesting:

QPQ: - Not done
Overall: Waiting for QPQ. I think ALT2 is the best hook. It refers to a subject that is probably more interesting to a broad international audience than the other hooks, and is also topical due to the Covid pandemic. Bahnfrend (talk) 12:23, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

QPQ is not needed as I have only one other DYK nomination (Template:Did you know nominations/Wilson Tucker (politician). I have added google maps as a source for the road section of the article. Steelkamp (talk) 12:57, 6 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so now ready to go. Bahnfrend (talk) 06:38, 24 July 2021 (UTC)