Talk:Battle of Glorieta Pass

Questions

I can't say I know much about this battle, but reorganized the description of the NM Campaign from the battle itself. The campaign needs more of a description, IMHO. An unanswered question: The Texans are first listed as being under the command of Major Pryon, but then the next paragraph says Pryon and [Lt Col] Scurry. That's a bit confusing. Hal Jespersen 16:22, 21 May 2005 (UTC)

Map needed

A map would be useful --AW 16:59, 28 March 2007 (UTC) A map has been added since this comment, but for some reason it fails to show the Johnson Ranch, which obviously appears to be a very important location. Terry Thorgaard (talk) 00:51, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

This was actually a Confederate Victory

I have read three books on the New Mexico Campaign. I also read Shelby Foote's account of this battle, plus other articles, and they all state that the Battle of Glorietta pass was, in fact, a Confederate victory. I can supply the titles from all these books where this is stated.

Sibley's New Mexico Campaign, 1960 by Martin Hardwick Hall.

The Battle of Glorietta Pass, 1998 by Thomas S. Edrington and John Taylor.

Henry Hopkins Sibley: Confederate General of the West, 1987. by Jerry Thompson.

Also Shelby Foote's narrative of the civil war.

Of course, the result of the battle was a Pyrrhic victory, because the confederates suffered a devasting loss to their supply lines, and it was the basis of the Southern retreat. But that's looking ahead. The point is that the confederates won, and I believe that on the RESULT part of the page, it should read Confederate victory or pyrrhic victory.

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Technically you are quite right. The Confederates would have won the right to advance their campaign if they had not lost their supply wagons. A pyrrhic victory is the most accurate description of this Confederate win.

MilesFowler (talk) 23:15, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

a Pyrrhic victory is a tactical win with un unsustainable loss in numbers.

The Battle of Glorieta Pass was a tactical loss as the Confederates failed to defend their logistic supply. To state that they won the battle because they controlled the battlefield ignores that they couldn’t maintain their won ground. Hard to see that this was a victory, it was either an over extension of their infantry or a gamble that lost. Sean Parker (talk) 06:27, 26 November 2017 (UTC)

Sibley

Why does the rebel commanders section of the battle box not list General Henry Hopkins Sibley? Was he not present at the major battle of his campaign?

That is correct. I believe that Sibley was in Santa Fe at the time of this battle. He was hardly present at any of the battles in the New Mexico Campaign. During the Battle of Valverde Ford, a month earlier, Sibley stayed some distance behind the lines throughout the battle. By contrast, Col. E.R.S. Canby, stood on the battlefield at Valverde; however, like Sibley, Canby was not at Glorieta Pass, either.

MilesFowler (talk) 23:11, 9 August 2012 (UTC)

Colorado Mounted Rangers

It seems that CMR claims it was a part of this battle, but this battle doesn't list them as being a part. I can't find a hard reference on that, but for this second hand account by Retired Major from the USAF http://www.chuckhawks.com/colorado_rangers.htm. Maybe somebody can straighten this out and give some credit to CMR if it is due. Maybe CMR acted as a part of the 1st Colorado Volunteers or something. 128.138.200.94 (talk) 22:25, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

Company F of the 1st Colorado Regiment was a mounted company.

Graeme Cook (talk) 03:16, 16 October 2010 (UTC)

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