Talk:Battle for the Donbas (1919)

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Proposed merge of Battle of Mariupol (1919) into Battle for the Donbas (1919)

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The result of this discussion was to merge. Cheers, Dan the Animator 22:45, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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Following up from discussion in the Makhno FAC, the Battle of Mariupol was only mentioned in passing in books about Makhno and was "only a small part of the larger battle for the Donbas". If it isn't covered in depth in reliable sources, it would be best to cover it within its parent article. czar 15:21, 8 November 2023 (UTC)

• Support per nom. Although I'm not sure how much of this can text can be merged. The long quote in particular strikes me as something that wouldn't fit well into the Battle for the Donbas article, and the thing about Makhno is a side-detail. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:10, 9 November 2023 (UTC)
• Support per above. Also, Battle of Mariupol (1919) is a very short article and merging it would improve the quality of Battle for the Donbas (1919) (its apparent parent article). Regarding the quote, I don't see why it couldn't be paraphrased in principle. @Czar and Grnrchst: if y'all want, I could take the quote and turn it into independently-written prose. Just let me know whether the content of the quote should be included in the main article in the first place and I'll rewrite it as soon as I can. Thanks, Dan the Animator 05:30, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

  @Grnrchst, defer to you since you translated the material. Is the source reliable and worth paraphrasing? czar 19:44, 12 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Czar: First citation is to a primary source by Viktor Bilash; third citation is to a primary source by Halyna Kuzmenko, collected in an archival document of primary sources; the long quote is from Pavel Dybenko and is cited in an academic history book. I think a paraphrased version could fit in somewhere, but it would have to be greatly reduced. --Grnrchst (talk) 22:59, 20 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Dantheanimator, would you want to take a stab at that? czar 02:39, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Czar: Just finished rewriting it, feel free to take a look. I took the liberty of rewriting the rest of the article too since it had a bit of fluff and lots of POV/unencyclopedic language. I tried to be generous with how much of the info from the quote I preserved but if I kept too much/too little, let me know. Also, very minor but when I was rewording the rest of the article prose, there was this one phrasing that I wasn't sure what it meant (did Makhno think he could not take Mariupol in one go or not take it at that moment?). I put in the in-line tag for that in case it helps. Aside from that, I think the rest should be good but feel free to ping me back if there's anything I should change/reword/etc. with it. Cheers, Dan the Animator 05:03, 21 January 2024 (UTC)

  @Czar and Grnrchst: it's been a while since my previous message so thought I'd followup on this. If it's alright with you both, I can turn the infobox content into prose and merge what's left in the Battle of Mariupol (1919) article into the main Battle for the Donbas (1919) article under the Red offensive (March–April) subsection. Please let me know and thanks for all the work y'all put into the articles earlier! Dan the Animator 19:21, 2 February 2024 (UTC)

  @Dantheanimator, be bold and finish the merge! :) czar 02:15, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

  Done, thanks Czar! Dan the Animator 22:37, 10 February 2024 (UTC)

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