Talk:Basmachi movement

Contradiction

How can a revolt which began in 1916 have been against the 'Soviet government'? I'm not saying there's anything inaccurate here necessarily - there's just a clear need for clarification. mgekelly 20:39, 27 May 2006 (UTC)

It was against the Russians in general. It was a revolt that took many forms over a period of decades and eventually became anti-Soviet post 1918. In essence, though, it was anti-foreign-power, in this case Russia.

The 1916 Central Asian Revolt against the Russian Empire and the 1917-22 Basmachi Revolt against Soviet Russia were two separate events separated by more than a year. The first was centered in Kazakh lands around Lake Balkhash while the latter took place in the Ferghana Valley, separated by mountain ranges and a distance greater than that between Denmark and Austria. They should be in two separate articles. If the 1916 revolt was a major influence on the later revolt and there were players involved in both, the relationship should be explained in more detail. Rwestera (talk) 23:42, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

CITE YOUR WORK

can you please cite things you find? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 75.22.70.201 (talk) 17:20, 4 March 2007 (UTC).

turkic

evidence points to Basmachi being a largely Turkic movement and phenomenom, and a turkic word: http://www.issi.org.pk/journal/2006_files/no_2/article/a7.htm http://www.onwar.com/aced/chrono/c1900s/yr15/fbasmachi1916.htm http://www.britannica.com/eb/article-9013641/Basmachi-Revolt --Wisconsin96 23:28, 18 March 2007 (UTC)

Tajik or Turk

Basmachis were Tajik people not Turk. This movement started in Bukhara that at that time (and even today) is high densed Tajik populated city. This movement started only few years after Treaty of Akhal. Samarqand, Bukhara, Tashkend, Khuqand, furqana and other important cities were all Tajik cities.علی ویکی (talk) 18:11, 9 October 2009 (UTC) The Basmachi movement started in the Ferghana Valley, which is very diverse. The Basmachis had a presence in Khirgiz, Kazakh and Turkmen lands. It was a pan-Central Asian movement, and Central Asia is primarily Turkic.132.162.92.148 (talk) 02:35, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

overhaul

I just rewrote most of the article. I tried to reintegrate all existing information that was cited. Feel free to re-add anything I cut, but try to work it into the new structure of the article. If anyone wants to add dates to the various headings like last time, or somehow space them to they're easier to read, be my guests.132.162.92.148 (talk) 03:58, 17 May 2011 (UTC)

Ibrahim Bay or Ibrahim Bek

• Ibrahim Bek seems to be incorrectly mentioned as Ibrahim Bay here. I'm not sure, however, knowing little of the period. --CopperKettle 10:50, 27 March 2014 (UTC)

Basmachi movement

Most of basmaches were not tajiks !!! Most of liders of this movement were Turkic people.For example Madaminbek,Grand Ergash, Sher Mehmed Bey, Ibrohimbek ( was from uzbek tribe lakay in Tadjikistan) and Junaidkhan, Amir Olimxon, Anvar Posho,Somi Posho,Islomqul and most of rest liders. Casualties of sovet government were no little than 150 000 by the end of movement. Farewell Empire (talk) 11:39, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Basmachi movement

basmachi movement was not began in Buxara city.This revolt began in Bachkir village ( Kokand region) by Little Irgash korbashi who served as general in Kokand autonomy. Farewell Empire (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2018 (UTC)

Turkestan Liberation Organization

User:Derim Hunt, could you go a bit more in-depth about this edit? Specifically:

• If only "some" members of the movement referred to the movement as the Turkestan Liberation Organization, what did the rest refer to it as? "Basmachi" was the Russian term.
• Robert D. McChesney, the historian who wrote the referenced page, does not say that "some" members called themselves the Turkestan Liberation Organization. His specific words are "Early in May, two leaders of the Turkestan Liberation Organization (called "Basmachi" by its enemies), Fayz Allah and Ibrahim Beg, made raids from Afghanistan into Soviet territory."
  • To be clear, Kabul Under Siege: Fayz Muhammad's Account of the 1929 Uprising consists both of text translated from Fayz Muhammad and original commentary by Robert D. McChesney. The paragraph i wrote was based on commentary by McChesney.
• When you say "This introduction has nothing to do with the state of research about Soviet Central Asia.", can you say what specific newer research contradicts McChesney?

Koopinator (talk) 15:08, 11 June 2020 (UTC)

Well, first of all, there was no coherent Basmachi movement – there never was a unified goal or leadership (Enver Pasha tried that and failed miserably). The Soviets called all their enemies in Central Asia Basmachi. These enemies were White Russians, Monarchists, radical Mullahs and just peasants fighting for their land or some food.

* McChesney is a historian for Afghanistan, so it is forgivable that he made some mistakes.

* There is a wide range of literature about the Basmachi. Just some examples from the last 20 years:

– Генис, Владимир: Бутафорская революция, или российское полпредство в Хиве, in: Восток – Афро-азиатские общества, Vol. 1 (2000), no. 2, pp. 5–26.

– Kassymbekova, Botakoz: Humans as territory: forced resettlement and the making of Soviet Tajikistan, 1920–38, in: Central Asian Survey, Vol. 30 (2011), no. 3–4, pp. 349–370.

– Keller, Shoshana: To Moscow, Not Mecca: The Soviet Campaign Against Islam in Central Asia, 1917–1941, London/Westport (CT) 2001.

– Nourzhanov, Kirill: Bandits, Warlords, National Heroes: Interpretations of the Basmachi movement in Tajikistan, in: Central Asian Survey, Vol. 34 (2015), no. 2, pp. 177–189.

– Penati, Beatrice: The reconquest of East Bukhara: The Struggle against the Basmachi as a Prelude to Sovietization, in: Central Asian Survey, Vol. 26 (2007), no. 4, pp. 521–538.

– Shaw, Charles: Friendship under lock and key: the Soviet Central Asian border, 1918–34, in: Central Asian Survey, Vol. 30 (2011), no. 3–4, pp. 331–348.

Have fun reading them! Derim Hunt (talk) 09:29, 12 June 2020 (UTC)

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someone added fake names

there are fake names listed in the info box, like "eternal.paki" IonlyPlayz2 (talk) 15:08, 18 March 2024 (UTC)

نبرد اوش ۱۹۱۹

در سال ۱۹۱۹ نیروهای قدرتمند باسماچی به همراه محمد امین بیگ و مونستروف توانستند شهر بزرگ و مجهز اوش را تصرف و نیروی های زیر فرماندهی ساخلوی که تعدادشان به ۳۰۰ نفر میرسید را در قلعه ایرکشتام واقع در مرز کاشغر را خلع سلاح کنند و پادگان پامیر را به تصرف خود درآوردند پس از این نبرد نیروهای بلشویک به انحطاط افتاد و نیرو های زیاد و شهری بزرگ .و پر از مهمان را به نام اوش از دست داد Shalin185322 (talk) 10:29, 3 September 2024 (UTC)