Talk:Bandy/Archive 2

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Quality of sources

A request for Bandy to be "promoted" to Olympic status cannot be used in order to sate "Bandy is the second largest winter sport". Please find a NPOV source. If the statement was changed into "Bandy is the second largest team winter sport", I personally wouldn't protest. Average attendances above 1000 per game can only be found in Sweden and Russia, to my knowledge. While Downhill races and Ski-jumping often can see crowds of 50000 or 100000 or even more. Also other Alpine as well as Nordic skiing attracts large crowds , and so does ski-shooting (or whatever it's called). Please keep to "second team sport" - or find a neutral source. I prefer Bandy ahead of Ice-hockey, just by the way. It really ought to be an Olympic sport. But that's only an opinion, not a fact. And the source used is just the same, and hence cannot be used for the alleged statement. Boeing720 (talk) 22:15, 17 May 2017 (UTC)

We have already discussed this earlier on this page. You might personally think the statistics is scewed in the sources, but the source is still there and it presents statistics which seems to be plausible facts. If you want to question the sources, you are the one who should come up with some other source which points to different meassurements taken and different numbers given. As far as anyone knows right now, the numbers you give us here in your discussion post might just be your very own feeling about how many people would go to see competitions in different sports.

Personally, I find it hard to believe that any event of downhill skiing or ski-jumping could draw crowds of even 10,000 people. There isn't even room for many more people than that in the receiving area of the slope, where the audience is. Heck, even 10,000 seems like an indredibly high amount of people for such an event.

You cannot just go around guessing that the numbers are actually not for winter sports but only for winter team sports, saying the words should be changed according to what you believe is true. You have to come up with something more solid than your own ideas about what "must" be the case. Just now, I wrote that I don't think there would be any very big crowds at certain types of events, but I made it clear that this is what I personally believe. I have no statistics to back it up and therefore I wouldn't even consider going around changing in Wikipedia articles just because I find numbers inplausible. I would have to find my own sources first. You should do that too. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 09:01, 18 May 2017 (UTC)

I removed the entire sentence, which is based on POV sources. To your latest revert, have I now followed the Olympic promotion link to the letter. Boeing720 (talk) 04:44, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

Also here is a top-ten list of ALL winter sports (most popular) - http://www.sportsmuntra.com/top-10-winter-sports-world/ - not just Olympic ones, and the source isn't tied to any sport. But if you clearly can keep it at number of exercisers, well then it just might be OK. I think this (current) lead is sufficient, based on solely Bandy related sources. So please emphasize that it is about the number of exercises and avoid the more ambiguous word "popular", until you can find a Bandy-neutral source (it may well be in Swedish, but not tied to Bandy in particular. IF doing so, please include the most imperative quote and translate that part. Not too long, since there are copyright matters) I wish you well, and hope Bandy will become an Olympic sport. Boeing720 (talk) 05:07, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

You want quality in the sources but you only present a link to one journalist's own very subjective personal opinion on the matter? ROFLMAO! Where's the statistics? There's none on that article in Sportsmuntra.com.... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.218.255.52 (talk) 06:54, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@Boeing720, why do you keep asking others to find sources for you? You are the one to claim the existing sources are wrong. Well, then prove it! Don't go around asking others to do it for you. The only link you give us here is, as 77.218.255.52 says, not in any way based on any statistics. It's the typical kind of whimsical journalism that you often find in light-weight entertainment weekly magazines. This is some random journalist who wanted to write about winter sports and is blabbering on about nothing in particular, giving it a top-ten form just to get it a bit more appealing for the casual reader. It's really nothing to use as a reference for anything. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 23:23, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

IP-users. Yes I want quality sources, NPOV, not connected to the sport. The example I used here (at a talk-page) is at least not connected to any of the sports which it lists. The second comment is not understandable in its context. Read WP:NPOV, WP:PRIMARY and WP:SECONDARY for starters.

Bandy-Hoppsan. As explained , the list was just a contradiction of your sources. (Not better or more reliable, meant as an example how sources have been used here). The sources you are using are all closely tied to bandy. In order to make the statement "Bandy by numbers of exercisers is the second most popular winter sport" (or in line with that) Do require a reliable source. In this case a source which is unconnected to Bandy. Or possibly a Bandy source which can reveal sources for what it states (see primary and secondary above). Also see Wikipedia:Identifying reliable sources. Boeing720 (talk) 02:30, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

You still don't explain why others should do the work for you. If you find the present sources unreliable, then show that they are. You cannot just claim that they are.

There are loads of sources all over Wikipedia which are, in one way or another, in some way connected to the thing that they are used to describe here. The sources are no secret, they are clearly shown to anyone reading this article just like in any other article. It is not like there is any deception going on. Government sources are often used for statistics about the land of that government, homepages of companies are used to show economic numbers for the said companies. This is usually deemed to be quite all right as quality goes for sources. If these sources are questioned, there are other sources saying so which are linked too. In this case, you haven't presented any sources of that kind.

The sources given may have text arguing for a view. However, they also have statistics in them. It is the statistics which is used in Wikipedia's bandy article, not the opinions. (Wikipedia is using them, not I.) I have seen more people than you questioning the numbers of these statistics, but I have seen no hard facts of any kind which has shown us that the statistics are wrong. This is probably because there are none. The statistics show us numbers which are facts. Until you can present a source which show us different numbers, all you have is your own doubt. You be incredulous if you want to, but don't let your opinion be a "source" for denying the use of facts from an actual source.

We could discuss the wordings if you want to, but let me ask you to please take a step back and see the thing with unbiased eyes first. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 15:27, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

So User:Bandy Hoppsan - you are the recent IP-editors also. ("You still don't explain why others should do the work for you." came from an IP). This is really serious as you have used the IP-numbers as a troll and may call for severe actions.

Do never pretend to be more than yourself, and especially not in order to promote your own opinions or whatever, ever again ! . Although I'm not an admin, I could report you. And to use trolls is as bad as it gets. As I suspected, and lucky for you this time, are you still rather new here. In a nutshell - everything any contributor makes statements about, usually require inline referencing. About how and which sources you may use have I helped you with. It's not my job to find reliable sources for you ! Although I might consider helping you , provided I myself believed that Bandy in fact is the second largest winter sport - of all, not just team sports. But I simply do not. And two of your sources is clearly advertising for Bandy to receive an Olympic promotion. Not a reliable source, in general. The third one can't I even read (membership required, I have to presume). A brief overlook, tells me that you have put a lot of effort into this article, and that's fine. Nevertheless must a statement as this

• "Based on the number of participating athletes, bandy is the world's second most popular winter sport after ice hockey.[3][4][5] Bandy also is the number two winter sport in tickets sold per day of competitions at the sport's world championship compared to the other winter sports.[5]".

(also source no 5 is "Bandy want's to be Olympic"). If these statements are true, it wouldn't be that difficult to find NPOV sources. Like a list of the numbers who exercise a number of winter sports. Why not be content with "second largest Winter Team Sport" (without the necessary need of mention no 1) ?

Possible help - You write about statistics in the used sources. Who are responsible for their statistics ? If the source you wan't to use points at statistics made by a Neutral part, then you can use that statistics - but give the reference to the ones who have made statistic part only. This might be a way forward for you, provided the figures do not come from Bandy tied sources. I hope you can find NPOV sources for your statement. OK ? Boeing720 (talk) 05:20, 22 May 2017 (UTC)

I don't know if you are sure about what you are saying. First, why would I have to be the same man as a person who is just using an IP number, just because I happen to agree with what that person is saying?

Second, you are the one questioning the sources given in the article. Then why would I be the one who would have to be looking up sources to support the hunch you are having? You don't believe in the given sources – and that's fine, you may hold any belief you want – but then it is actually up to you to find something which can give us another view on the matter. Wikipedia is a collective effort. You are welcome to help out, but you do not do it by just erasing sourced information for the sloe reason that you personally do not believe in what the sources are saying.

Third, I am by no means the only person who have been working n this article. I have not personally put a lot of effort in it, I think. This is not a personal issue for me. It seems to be for you, though. I don't know why, and I don't know if I am interested in knowing why.

Fourth, if it is not difficult to find sources, why are you so reluctant to try to go out and find them yourself? You sit here going on and on about how you think the statistics might be wrong, writing long posts about it (posts which frankly, I must say, are not very polite in their tone), in stead of just trying to get some evidence to that effect. Why should I or anyone else even listen to you anymore? You make no effort whatsoever yourself. Please!

Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 21:42, 28 May 2017 (UTC)

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Rink bandy

I think there should be more written here in bandy article about rink bandy. They are virtually the same sport but on different size rinks. Is it logical to not have rink bandy here but in the same article as rinkball? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:801:320:8F03:0:0:0:1 (talk) 19:37, 22 November 2016 (UTC)

Rinkbandy deservs its own article but should well perhaps be separated from rinkball. So rinkball should also have its own article, I mean. Åke Lunk (talk) 20:12, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree with Åke Lunk. Rink bandy can be seen as a variant of bandy, but it is better to have information about it in its own article. There have been special international and national tournaments in rink bandy, and even if many players of regular bandy have been playing in these tournaments, they do not in any way count towards the points in bandy leagues or international rankings. They have their own record lists. Röd Boll (talk) 17:58, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I also agree. While rink bandy of course is a variant of bandy, it is also worthy of its own article. Just like rink ball also is, by the way. That's my opinio . Bandy Blues (talk) 21:47, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Still, rink bandy is played by regular bandy players too. In countries where full sized bandy fields are not readily available in any high number, rink bandy is often the form chosen by bandy clubs and by the national team when practicing. This is an important form to have in many countries where bandy is still under development and where it may be hard to arrange for a large sized artificially frozen pitch the size of a regular bandy field. In many of theses countries, winter is not long enough either to pour water on football fields to have them as bandy fields during the snowy season. In stead, artificially frozen ice hockey rinks, which may be more easily available, fill an important place for the bandy players and bandy teams. But, while rink bandy do have a very close connection to bandy, it is still also a sport of its own and should have its own article, as it is right now. As for rinkball, I am not sure how much it is played nowadays, but it was played regullary and followed by some considerable number of audiences in the 1990s I think. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 22:12, 15 January 2017 (UTC)

As far as I can gather, rinkball is still being played in leagues at least in Finland. I think this sport should have an article of its own, but let's keep that discussion there, i.e. at Talk:Rink bandy. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 22:30, 19 March 2017 (UTC)

I think rinkbandy is just a form of bandy while rinkball seems to be more different. So more information about rinkbandy in this article should be useful. Rinkbandy is often played by regular bandy players, if not for competition so at least for practice. Aaa men ändå (talk) 19:41, 3 June 2017 (UTC)

I created a separate article on rinkball the other day, using the already existing sources. I have never seen a game of this sport being played, but it seems it is being played on a regular basis at least in Finland, so I think it deserves its own page. At the same time, I put the Category:Bandy in the article on rink bandy, since rink bandy is more a form of bandy than a sport of its own, as I gather. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 11:48, 29 July 2017 (UTC)

England Bandy Federation changing names again?

Hi. Do anyone have some information on this? Please comment at Talk:England Bandy Federation#Great Britain. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 21:12, 29 September 2017 (UTC)

New title for England Bandy Federation: Great Britain Bandy Federation (GBBF)

The England Bandy Federation newly convened in January 2017 committee has decided to broaden its remit to include the home countries of the British Isles having people wishing to be included living or born in those countries within Great Britain. It is now called the Great Britain Bandy Federation. The website is awaiting the change of name. Lyn Gibb-de Swarte

Thank you for the information. I have made the appropriate changes (as far as I can judge) to the article on the England Bandy Federation, moving it to the new name Great Britain Bandy Federation as a new title for the article and changing links to it.

Will there be a Great Britain national bandy team or will there be different teams for the different home countries? In any occation, I would love to see it at the 2018 World Championship in China (it will of course have to start in the B Division, which will play in Harbin, China next year). Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 10:32, 8 October 2017 (UTC)

Hello, Old PN Editor Lyn, I have a question if you can answer

It seems like a good idea to make the Emgland Bandy Federation into a Great Britain Bandy Federation for all of the home countries within the United Kingdom, if there were no bandy federation associations ready established and working already in Scotland, Northern Ireland and/or Wales. I wonder: Why have they decided to call it Great Britain Bandy Federation rather than United Kingdom Bandy Federation? Is that on purpose and if so, what does it mean, or is Great Britain just interchangeble with United Kingdom as a term in organisagional names like this? It is a curious querstion and I am interested to know. :-) /me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.250.200.188 (talk) 19:48, 7 October 2017 (UTC)

I think so. I don't think many consider this an issue. The names United Kingdom and Great Britain are in most cases commonly refering to the exact same thing, the same country, even if for historical reasons they may mean different territories if you are being pedantic about it. — 77.218.240.124 (talk) 14:22, 14 October 2017 (UTC)

I checked the Wikipedia reference desk, and this question has been up for discussion a number of times. See, just for some examples,

• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2009 September 3#Use of the phrase "United Kingdom"
• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Language/2016 November 16#UK in popular usage
• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Language/2014 May 8#GB - UK?
• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Humanities/2012 July 29#Olympics
• Wikipedia:Reference_desk/Archives/Science/2007 August 2#the United Kingdom vs Great Britain

There are also some articles where the difference is described. Most elaborated on the subject is probably the article Terminology of the British Isles.

If I try to summarize it all, I think the answer is, that the United Kingdom is usually preferred as the short form for all of the country, whose full name is the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland, but in sports, the term Great Britain is (still) often used because in the Olympics and some other sporting events, athletes from Northern Ireland have the choice to go either with the team of the Kingdom or the team of the Republic, i.e. the Republic of Ireland, the latter team then in essence becoming an all-Irish team and the former actually is officially called Great Britain by the International Olympic Committee, which is abbreviating it as GBR. Bandy Hoppsan (talk) 00:32, 22 October 2017 (UTC)

GB is also well known as standing for Great Britain and indeed also Northern Ireland when it comes to land vehicles in international traffic, as they have GB in the oval sticker placed on the back of the car or – at least for now, when the United Kingdom is still a Member State of the European Union – at the leftmost part of its registration plate. This is decided in the international treaty for the official international vehicle registration codes. 77.218.249.34 (talk) 10:48, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

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Additional citations?

A reference improvement template was added to this article by BlackJack in October, but there is no explanation as to why it was added. Could BlackJack please elaborate? In what way, and about what facts and circumstances do you think the article is not good enough when it comes to references? This is essential to know, to be able to better this perceived predicament. I am eager to try to help out. 77.218.249.34 (talk) 10:42, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Hello. There are large areas of narrative that have no inline citations to verify the content. Rather than specify individual statements it is better to use the global template. Thanks. Jack | ^{talk page} 11:07, 16 November 2017 (UTC)

Okay, thanks, not much guidance there, but I'll look in to it anyway. I don't have the time just now, though. It would help to know if there are some specific facts which you find implausible or if it is just a general feeling that the information is good if only it is sourced properly. 2A00:801:290:1773:8C7A:AF3:E5AA:B032 (talk) 09:45, 17 November 2017 (UTC)

THere are a lot of "citation needed" tags throughout the text - so you should be able to see where sources are missing. But I also think the person adding the reference improvement template should be able to add some more thoughts than just a general suggestion that there are many missing inline citations. Are both forms really necessary? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 83.254.24.108 (talk) 12:08, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

However there are a loads of sources for the article and I think most things seems to be sourcered readily. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:801:290:DA53:154B:D16A:F822:DDF7 (talk) 15:55, 13 December 2017 (UTC)

Shinney

Although the article currently states that "In old times shinty or shinney were also sometimes used in English for bandy," the word "shinney" is still commonly used for ice hockey in Canada, although colloquially. Laodah 06:06, 14 January 2018 (UTC)

Interesting as that might be as a curiosity, do you suggest a change to the page on bandy because of this use of the word shinney for another sport such as ice hockey? Örtstedt (talk) 01:23, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Bandy as an Olympic sport

You may think there is much written about speculations on bandy becoming an Olympic sport, but it's really not that much. Not if you compare to how it is sometimes discussed in other forums. Bandy is a sport often in the speculations about becoming the next winter Olympic sports, and views differs from those seeing it as natural that the sport should be at the Winter Games and cannot fathom why it isn't, to those who think it never should be even if it did reach all the formal criteria, because it's a sport which can stand for itself having its own world championship and so on. There are many people having views in between too. While some other winter sports sometimes seem to come to the Olympics just some years after being invented and not being very wide spread around the globe or followed by any big audiences, bandy has been around from before the modern Olympic games started and has a very dedicated following in some countries. There are truths to arguments for both sides and the debate must be able to be seen in the article. You could write much more about it, but I think what is in the article now is about right amount of information on this. /Bandy sport — Preceding unsigned comment added by Bandy sport (talk • contribs) 00:38, 15 January 2018 (UTC) Blocked sock. Dekimasuよ! 19:53, 22 May 2018 (UTC)

Actually if you take a look at my edits, it was me who added a reference about possible inclusion onto the Olympic program. The paragraph you insist on adding (the part where South Korea decides if the sport is on the program) makes absolutely no sense. I have removed that part, but left the other reference. Only the IOC decides if the sport will be on the program, not if a country is competitive enough. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 15:03, 15 January 2018 (UTC)

It took some time to find this in the history section for the article. The text about South Korea seems to have had a reference in some news article. Is the article unserious or is it irrelevant? Your comment is not clear on this, Sportsfan. Irony iron (talk) 15:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)

While bandy would be a very nice addition to the Winter Olympic Games, speculation about this has gone on for decades. For the bandy fan, it is interesting to follow these speculations where ever they turn up in the news papers or other news sources. However, Wikipedia is an encyclopedia and should present facts and actual information, not news which are too much leaning towards being nothing more than qualified guesses on the subject. I think it should be noted on the Wikipedia page on bandy that speculations like this are going on, but it is enough to mention it as a short remark. There is no need to go in on what the speculations say, unless, perhaps, if uttered by the sport governing body officials like the president and vice presidents of the Federation of International Bandy or committee members of the International Olympic Committee. Örtstedt (talk) 01:33, 25 February 2018 (UTC)

Big changes ought to be discussed

I just happened to come by and see that big chunks of this article had been removed today. This shouldn't be done without previous discussion, I think. Some of the removed parts were clearly referenced and relevant. Dammråtta (talk) 22:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

And sock editing shouldn't be allowed either. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 22:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

What does that has to do with your erasing of large parts of this article? Dammråtta (talk) 22:37, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

Do not remove sourced information

I have tried to return this page to a serious version with sourced infortmation. Do not undo this. Removing sourced information is disruptive and should not be done. Boink v. S. (talk) 06:14, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Creating multiple accounts to have discussion on this talk page do not count as consensus. Bandy is definitely not the second most popular winter sport, otherwise it would be on the Olympic program. The only source is from the governing body of the sport which is considered biased. You have removed valid references, archived links and links to the article in a different language. Your edits to this article are not helpful and disruptive. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:27, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Bandy is the second most popular winter sport

Bandy is the second most popular winter sport, only ice hockey is bigger. This is well-sourced and relevant information to have in this article. The information was presented in a well-researched report by Norwegian businessman Knut Audun Sørensen in 2015. For some reason, different people keep removing this information from the article, even if there are references for it and even if this has been discussed on this talk page before and noone has been able to come up with any evidence disproving these facts. So let it stand. Dammråtta (talk) 22:35, 16 June 2018 (UTC)

It definitely is not. [1] But I think the gap between popularity and participation and global audiences between the existing seven and any others probably makes that jump to new sports a little bit harder than in summer. Straight from the IOC Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 00:20, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

There are no numbers in that article. It's just a guy rationalising his own decissions. How is that better? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A00:801:291:96C8:2BD4:9E14:6E7C:43AA (talk) 11:59, 17 June 2018 (UTC)

Sportsfan 1234, just because you don't believe in the sourced information, doesn't mean you have a right to remove it. If there are different views of a subject out there, both sides NEED to be represented at Wikipedia. You can't just remove what you THINK is untrue with all references given because you have found ONE source which indicates that someone has interpreted the statistics differently (or more likely, I think, hasn't even read the statistics). The person may be a board member of the IOC or whatever, but that fact alone is not enough for discrediting all other sources and the views and facts given in them. And disregarding other Wikipedians by accusing them of being sock puppets bust for having another view in the matter is just you being a jerk. You have even been removing other people's opinions from this TALK PAGE. Silencing people whose opinions you don't like is something Communists do, it shouldn't be the way of Wikipedia. Explain your view instead. Boink v. S. (talk) 06:36, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Its one person's point of view. Creating multiple accounts, which you have been blocked for, is not allowed on Wikipedia. Sportsfan 1234 (talk) 13:37, 22 October 2018 (UTC)

Multiple issues?

The article is tagged as to have multiple issues, but there is no discussion about it here on the talk page. I think someone who tags an article like that ought to start the discussion about it too. Anyway, let's work to make it better. Bandy långe (talk) 17:36, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Bandy and covid-19

Like many other sports, bandy is a sport where the regular play and tournaments have been severely effected by the COVID-19 pandemic. The 2020 Bandy World Championship, meant to be played in Irkutsk in Russia, was postponed and now it might not be played at all, because Finland, Norway and Sweden have all declared that they won't come to play because of the risk of being infected. I don't know if the Russians will find it worthwhile to play the tournament, when all the other main contestants have said they won't show up. It's sad, but this is how it is in sports not as big as association football or the Olympic Games, where huge tournamenst like Euro 2020 and the 2020 Summer Olympics still have been arranged this summer. Eventually, some information about the situation and how it plays out should be added to this article. Bandy långe (talk) 21:28, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Sources which are translated

It is pretty good to refer to sources in other languages by refering to them through Google Translate, but the source shall not just be stated as "Google Translate". It should be stated as the source it is originally, with name, date of publishing etc. I just fixed this for one source previously given like that. Bandy långe (talk) 04:33, 8 October 2021 (UTC)

....and another one. There are quite a few sources given in this article which are good, but not presented in a good way. I'll do my best to amend this. Bandy långe (talk) 07:39, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

I seem to have come here in a time period when not many other people are working with this particular subject, that is the article on bandy, as I get no respnse on what I write in my posts here. That is hardly a problem, I can work on making the article better myself, without exchanging ideas and opinions with someone else on the matter. It would be more interesting to work on it together with others, but what I am doing at the moment is more or less just bettering texts, or rather just references, which othere people have already put into the text sometime before. This is something anyone could do on his own; no discussions really needed on how to phrase things in the text.

It is however a bit saddening finding out, that a reference source which probably was a good one when it was added to the text in the article, is now a dead link and as it is dead I cannot do anything much to better the refering note which accompany the text. When the link is dead, I cannot find the missing headline of a news article or the date this news article was originally published. These facts are information which should have been added to the note when the reference was originally added in the text of our article.

However, at a whole, I think this article actually is a good article, describing bandy in a way which should be able to give an understanding of the sport even to readers not previously familiar with the subject and at the same time not so simple in its approach as to make the ordinary bandy fan thinking it's just nothing here that I don't already know. Bandy långe (talk) 11:41, 10 October 2021 (UTC)

Multiple issues of this article

One of the issues is now taken care of, at least as much as I have been able to do it. That was the issue of bad reference link descriptions. I have cleaned it up and therefor I removed that issue from the template on top of the page.

Now there is only one of the issues left. Should the multiple issues template be replaced by some one issue template? Bandy långe (talk) 05:33, 14 October 2021 (UTC)

Well, it seems Cewbot took care of this for us. Thank you. Bandy långe (talk) 10:40, 18 October 2021 (UTC)

Nomination of Formation (bandy) for deletion

The following was just posted at my personal talk page. Maybe others are interested in giving their views on the subject too.

A discussion is taking place as to whether the article Formation (bandy) is suitable for inclusion in Wikipedia according to Wikipedia's policies and guidelines or whether it should be deleted.

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Bandy långe (talk) 16:04, 20 October 2021 (UTC)

What's this "small group of ice skating sports"?

It says in the lead, that bandy "belongs to a small group of four ice skating team sports, irrespective of their associated variants, which now includes ice hockey, ringette, and rinkball."

What is this "group"? How is it organised or who defines it as a "group"?

I don't think this sentence is really clear. Are they a "group" just because they are all played on ice or is it something else which defines the group? There are other sports played on ice too, why are they not in this "group"? Please clarify.

95.199.138.45 (talk) 16:51, 2 February 2022 (UTC)

I removed the text about this alleged group now, just as has been done in the article on ice hockey. For discussion on the topic and why the "group" should not be mentioned (as it is what could be called original research), see talk:Ice hockey.

95.199.138.45 (talk) 15:00, 4 February 2022 (UTC)

Removed again. Do not add it again without discussing first. We have talk pages for a reason.

While these sports mught share some characteristics, they are not more related to eachother than bandy is related to for instance field hockey or association football. They are not grouped together by sports writers or sports governing bodies. Simply put, they are not a group.

95.199.134.234 (talk) 17:47, 9 February 2022 (UTC)

Sorry, had to "copy paste" from a related page and only found this now.

𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗗𝗜𝗦𝗖𝗨𝗦𝗦𝗜𝗢𝗡 𝗣𝗨𝗥𝗣𝗢𝗦𝗘𝗦 𝗢𝗡𝗟𝗬⁣ ⁣ 𝗝𝘂𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝘃𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝘀 𝗧𝗟𝗗𝗥 𝘄𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗲𝘅𝘁 𝗵𝗲𝗿𝗲 (𝘁𝗼𝗼 𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗲):⁣ ⁣ Hi, 𝙣𝙤, 𝙄 𝙖𝙢 𝙣𝙤𝙩 𝙖𝙨𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙛𝙤𝙧 𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙨 "𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙜" 𝙩𝙤 𝙗𝙚 𝙖𝙙𝙙𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙜𝙖𝙞𝙣. Turns out there are two types of talk pages on wiki, one for articles and one for personal, but when someone messages either, it doesn't show up in my notification box, only edits do. Please don't resort to pettiness. I appreciate the opportunity to have this discussion.⁣

This is off topic a bit because of a recent edit war, but just 𝘄𝗮𝗻𝘁 𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗲𝗱𝗶𝘁𝗼𝗿𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗽𝗲𝗼𝗽𝗹𝗲 𝘁𝗼 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲 𝗮 𝗵𝗲𝗮𝗱𝘀 𝘂𝗽 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗸𝗲𝗲𝗽 𝘀𝗼𝗺𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗺𝗶𝗻𝗱 𝗮𝗯𝗼𝘂𝘁 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗲𝗱 𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗰𝗮𝘀𝗲 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘆 𝗿𝘂𝗻 𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗼 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗯𝗹𝗲𝗺𝘀 𝗜 𝗵𝗮𝘃𝗲:⁣

Be careful of 𝗙𝗶𝗻𝗻𝗶𝘀𝗵 𝘁𝗿𝗮𝗻𝘀𝗹𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝘀: 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹 (𝗸𝗮𝘂𝗸𝗮𝗹𝗼𝗽𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗼) 𝗶𝘀 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆, 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆, 𝗼𝗿 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆. 𝗜𝘁 𝗶𝘀 𝗮 𝘀𝗲𝗽𝗮𝗿𝗮𝘁𝗲 𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁. "Rinkball" in english also 𝙞𝙣𝙘𝙤𝙧𝙧𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙡𝙮 𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙣𝙨𝙡𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨 (via Google) as "bowling", "basketball", "longball" or "distance long-ball". This is incorrect.⁣ ⁣ 𝙄𝙛 𝙮𝙤𝙪 𝙨𝙚𝙚 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙧𝙙 "𝙆𝙖𝙪𝙠𝙖𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙖𝙡𝙡𝙤", 𝙩𝙝𝙖𝙩 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙠𝙗𝙖𝙡𝙡, 𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙚𝙡𝙨𝙚.⁣

The winter team sports of 𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆, 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹, 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆, are connected physically to some degree though they can't be effectively "grouped", at least not here. Regardless of which sport you're looking at, 𝙥𝙡𝙖𝙮𝙚𝙧𝙨 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙤𝙣𝙚 𝙤𝙛 𝙩𝙬𝙤 𝙩𝙮𝙥𝙚𝙨 𝙤𝙛 𝙞𝙘𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨:⁣

- ice hockey skates (hockey and ringette, sometimes rinkball)⁣

- bandy skates (bandy, rink bandy, and mostly in rinkball)⁣

Not sure about bandy and rinkball 𝗴𝗼𝗮𝗹𝗶𝗲𝘀, though hockey and ringette goalies do use the same type of goalie skate.⁣ ⁣ 𝗙𝗶𝗻𝗹𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗵𝗮𝘀 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗴𝗼𝘃𝗲𝗿𝗻𝗶𝗻𝗴 𝗯𝗼𝗱𝗶𝗲𝘀 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗳𝗼𝘂𝗿 𝗼𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗲𝘀𝗲 𝗼𝗿𝗴𝗮𝗻𝗶𝘇𝗲𝗱 𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀, but no other country does as far as I can find (maybe Sweden does though I don't know the current status of rinkball there).⁣ ⁣ These four sports wouldn't be classified as 𝘄𝗶𝗻𝘁𝗲𝗿 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺 𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀 if:⁣ a. they were individual sports or disciplines⁣ b. they didn't use ice and require special equipment for athletes to use in order to play on this type of playing surface (ice skates).⁣ ⁣ Without these two factors, they would just be ball hockey, street hockey or dek hockey, floorball, floor hockey with pucks/disks/balls, etc., gym hockey, inline hockey, rink hockey (quad)...you get the idea.⁣ ⁣ 𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗦𝗘 𝗪𝗢𝗨𝗟𝗗 𝗡𝗢𝗧 𝗕𝗘 𝗪𝗜𝗡𝗧𝗘𝗥 𝗧𝗘𝗔𝗠 𝗦𝗣𝗢𝗥𝗧𝗦. Or they would be winter team sports like curling or ice stock (requires teams take turns, no ice skates of any kind, they use shoes).⁣ ⁣ Evidence for a relevant and interesting connection between these four shows up when learning about 𝙝𝙞𝙜𝙝 𝙥𝙚𝙧𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙢𝙖𝙣𝙘𝙚, 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙢, 𝙢𝙪𝙡𝙩𝙞-𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙡𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙨, especially 𝗪𝗢𝗠𝗘𝗡 athletes in Finland, as I've been finding out.⁣ ⁣ If you start looking up elite female ice hockey players from Finland, it's not unusual to find that they have also played another one of these four sports, such as bandy and/or rinkball at some point (see wiki: "𝗥𝗶𝗶𝗸𝗮 𝗦𝗮𝗹𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲𝗻"). Some of these female Finnish athletes can and have also transferred/alternated between sports (See wikipedia: "𝗦𝘂𝘀𝗮𝗻𝗻𝗮 𝗧𝗮𝗽𝗮𝗻𝗶", played on both of Finland's national women's teams in both hockey and ringette. 𝘽𝙤𝙩𝙝 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙨 𝙪𝙨𝙚 𝙞𝙘𝙚 𝙝𝙤𝙘𝙠𝙚𝙮 𝙧𝙞𝙣𝙠𝙨 𝙖𝙣𝙙 𝙞𝙘𝙚 𝙝𝙤𝙘𝙠𝙚𝙮 𝙨𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙚𝙨).⁣ ⁣ In addition, when it comes to North America, a number of Canadian women athletes have backgrounds in 𝗯𝗼𝘁𝗵 𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲, while most American women athletes by comparison only have an ice hockey background. On top of that, it turns out the first Canadian 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺 consisted almost entirely of elite amateur ringette players (𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘀𝗲𝗺𝗶-𝗽𝗿𝗼). Canada's 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿𝘀. Meanwhile, both the USA 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺𝘀 𝗮𝗿𝗲 𝗲𝗻𝘁𝗶𝗿𝗲𝗹𝘆 𝗺𝗮𝗱𝗲 𝘂𝗽 𝗼𝗳 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿𝘀. In recent years, one of the coaches for Sweden's national ringette team was a well-medaled 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗽𝗹𝗮𝘆𝗲𝗿 (not sure if they ever played ringette). Plus, the UK is sending a 𝗚𝗿𝗲𝗮𝘁 𝗕𝗿𝗶𝘁𝗮𝗶𝗻 𝗻𝗮𝘁𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝘁𝗲𝗮𝗺 to the Women's Bandy World Championships this year. Their head coach is a man who used to play 𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆 𝗶𝗻 𝘁𝗵𝗲 𝗵𝗶𝗴𝗵𝗲𝘀𝘁 𝗹𝗲𝘃𝗲𝗹 𝗰𝗹𝘂𝗯𝘀 𝗶𝗻 𝗦𝘄𝗲𝗱𝗲𝗻 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗡𝗼𝗿𝘄𝗮𝘆. Since the British team's players who are UK born can ice skate but didn't grow up playing bandy, rinkball or ringette, 𝙜𝙪𝙚𝙨𝙨 𝙬𝙝𝙞𝙘𝙝 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙢 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙘𝙖𝙢𝙚 𝙛𝙧𝙤𝙢?⁣

⁣𝗜𝗳 𝘆𝗼𝘂 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗹𝗼𝗼𝗸 𝗮𝘁 𝗺𝗮𝗹𝗲 𝗮𝘁𝗵𝗹𝗲𝘁𝗲𝘀, I can see why you wouldn't make the connection, since this dynamic style of winter team sports participation occurs more often among the female population.⁣

𝗕𝗼𝘁𝘁𝗼𝗺 𝗹𝗶𝗻𝗲 is, with the possible exception of the Sweden coaches, 𝙞𝙛 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙩𝙤𝙥 𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧𝙣𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙤𝙣𝙖𝙡 𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙡𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙨 𝙝𝙖𝙙𝙣'𝙩 𝙙𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙤𝙥𝙚𝙙 𝙞𝙘𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙨𝙠𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙨 𝙚𝙛𝙛𝙚𝙘𝙩𝙞𝙫𝙚𝙡𝙮, 𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙮 𝙘𝙤𝙪𝙡𝙙 𝙣𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚 𝙖𝙘𝙝𝙞𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙙 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙧𝙚𝙡𝙚𝙫𝙖𝙣𝙩 𝙩𝙧𝙖𝙣𝙨𝙛𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙗𝙡𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙞𝙡𝙡𝙨 𝙞𝙣 𝙖𝙣𝙤𝙩𝙝𝙚𝙧 𝙞𝙘𝙚 𝙨𝙠𝙖𝙩𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙢 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩. 𝘽𝙪𝙩 𝙨𝙚𝙫𝙚𝙧𝙖𝙡 𝙖𝙡𝙧𝙚𝙖𝙙𝙮 𝙝𝙖𝙫𝙚. Some skills are transferable from one sport to another, while others not so much, but mastering ice skating skills is an unavoidable requirement if playing any of these winter team sports, transferring between them, or competing in more than one at the same time or at different points.⁣

𝗔𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗵𝗲𝗿 𝗻𝗼𝘁𝗲: 𝗠𝗘𝗡 𝗔𝗡𝗗 𝗪𝗢𝗠𝗘𝗡⁣ ⁣ There are 𝗽𝗿𝗼𝗳𝗲𝘀𝘀𝗶𝗼𝗻𝗮𝗹 𝗹𝗲𝗮𝗴𝘂𝗲𝘀 for men's bandy and men's ice hockey (paid pros), while women only play ice hockey professionally. There's 𝘀𝗲𝗺𝗶-𝗽𝗿𝗼 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲 in Finland, Canada and reportedly Sweden as well, 𝗻𝗼𝘁 𝘀𝘂𝗿𝗲 𝗶𝗳 𝘁𝗵𝗮𝘁'𝘀 𝘁𝗿𝘂𝗲 𝗳𝗼𝗿 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻'𝘀 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆, and it doesn't appear there's anything for men or women in rinkball.⁣ Amateur-wise, in top tier international competitions, 𝘄𝗼𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆, 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆, 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗴𝗲𝘁𝘁𝗲 (𝟰 𝘀𝗽𝗼𝗿𝘁𝘀) while 𝗺𝗲𝗻 𝗼𝗻𝗹𝘆 𝗰𝗼𝗺𝗽𝗲𝘁𝗲 𝗶𝗻 𝗯𝗮𝗻𝗱𝘆, 𝗶𝗰𝗲 𝗵𝗼𝗰𝗸𝗲𝘆, 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗿𝗶𝗻𝗸𝗯𝗮𝗹𝗹 (𝟯).⁣

𝙍𝙞𝙣𝙜𝙚𝙩𝙩𝙚 𝙞𝙨 𝙩𝙝𝙚 𝙤𝙣𝙡𝙮 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩 𝙤𝙪𝙩 𝙤𝙛 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙛𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙬𝙝𝙚𝙧𝙚 𝙖𝙡𝙡 𝙞𝙩𝙨 𝙚𝙡𝙞𝙩𝙚 𝙖𝙩𝙝𝙡𝙚𝙩𝙚𝙨 𝙖𝙧𝙚 𝙬𝙤𝙢𝙚𝙣 𝙞𝙣𝙨𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙙 𝙤𝙛 𝙢𝙚𝙣.⁣

𝗧𝗛𝗘𝗥𝗘! 𝗡𝗢 𝗕𝗢𝗢𝗞! 𝗧𝗛𝗔𝗧'𝗦 𝗙𝗢𝗥 𝗙𝗥𝗘𝗘! 𝗔𝘃𝗼𝗶𝗱 𝗲𝗿𝗿𝗼𝗿𝘀 𝗮𝗻𝗱 𝗺𝗶𝘀𝘂𝗻𝗱𝗲𝗿𝘀𝘁𝗮𝗻𝗱𝗶𝗻𝗴𝘀. I know no one ASKED, no one wanted it, but you won't find it anywhere else, (except for maybe USA Hockey). No page for this exists on wiki either, so can't give source material. Someone may need it eventually, who knows. So here it is.⁣

⁣This is about Wikipedia encyclopedia, it is not about which sports have the blessing of International Olympic Committee approval or which ones want it, that is not the criteria necessary for creating and developing articles about organized sport, it's merely one detail you can add to the article itself if it exists. 𝘼𝙣𝙙 𝙙𝙤𝙣'𝙩 𝙛𝙤𝙧𝙜𝙚𝙩! 𝙏𝙝𝙚𝙨𝙚 𝙛𝙤𝙪𝙧 𝙬𝙞𝙣𝙩𝙚𝙧 𝙩𝙚𝙖𝙢 𝙨𝙥𝙤𝙧𝙩𝙨 𝘿𝙊𝙉'𝙏 𝙗𝙚𝙡𝙤𝙣𝙜 𝙞𝙣 𝙖 𝙥𝙖𝙧𝙩𝙞𝙘𝙪𝙡𝙖𝙧 𝙜𝙧𝙤𝙪𝙥𝙞𝙣𝙜 𝙤𝙛 𝙖𝙣𝙮 𝙠𝙞𝙣𝙙. CheckersBoard (talk) 02:43, 11 February 2022 (UTC)

Are you serious? This is what you want to say? I cannot even read all of this rant, it actually gives me a headache. (I tried to split it up in sections to make it more readable, I hope you don't mind.)

You list coincidences and anecdotes of facts and try to find traces of some sort of connection between four different sports. Well, let me just say this: what you try to write might have been interesting as some sort of column in a nerdy sports magazine (if it was written with some style, that is), but this is not what you write about in Wikipedia. Wikipedia is about facts, not about invented connections between sports which may have some elements in common but which are never really grouped together in real life. They just all happen to be winter team sports. There are other winter team sports too. There are other sports which are more related to eachother than these four sports are. Ove Raul (talk) 21:27, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

"Differences from other sports"

I just removed the following section from the article. CheckersBoard, I urge you not to add information like this without previous discussion. This is your private research and has no place in Wikipedia. Ove Raul (talk) 22:34, 9 May 2022 (UTC)

Variants aside, there are only four ice skating team sports currently in existence: bandy, ice hockey, ringette, and rinkball. All four sports share four common characteristics which place them in a small group of winter sports: they use an ice surface for the playing area, they use a type of ice skate, two opposing teams compete at the same time, and they all require the use of designated goaltenders.

Difference between bandy and other sports

Details	Bandy	Ice hockey	Ringette	Rinkball
First played	1882 (1882) England, UK	1875 (1875) Montreal, Canada	1963 (1963) Espanola, Canada	1960s (1960s) Sweden
Highest body	Federation of International Bandy (FIB)	International Ice Hockey Federation (IIHF)	International Ringette Federation (IRF)	International Rinkball Federation
Object	Bandy ball	Ice hockey puck	Ringette ring	Rinkball ball
Ice skates	Bandy skates	Ice hockey skates	Ice hockey skates	Bandy skates (ice hockey skates less common)
Players	11	6	6	6
Ice sheet	Bandy field 45–65 meters by 90–110 meters	Ice hockey rink 60.96 meters by 25.9 meters	Ringette rink 60.96 meters by 25.9 meters	Rinkball rink 60.96 meters by 25.9 meters
Goal cage	11 ft. by 6.11 ft.	6 ft by 4 ft.	6 ft by 4 ft.	6 ft by 4 ft.
Time	2 intervals (45 mins each)	3 intervals (20 mins each)	Youth: 2 intervals (30 mins each) Varies between domestic, semi-pro, and international: (4 intervals, 15 mins each)	Finnish Championship Series: 3 × 20 minutes Lower series: 2 × 30 minutes of running time
Offside	Yes	Yes	No	No
Icing		Yes	No	No
Shot clock	No	No	Yes	No
Goalie stick	No	Yes	Yes	No
Goalie gloves	Bandy goalie gloves (both hands)	ice hockey blocker (stick side) and an ice hockey trapper	ice hockey blocker (stick side) and: – ice hockey trapper – broomball glove – ringette goalie trapper (aka "Nami" or "Keely")	ice hockey trapper (both hands)

Thank-you. Was considering removing it myself but was afraid to. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:09, 10 May 2022 (UTC)

Why would you be 'afraid to' remove something like this? This issue has been discussed above and on other pages and there is a consensus not to have this kind of comparision which you have added. So why not just remove it? If you are not sure, why not ask here on the talk page? Ove Raul (talk) 22:16, 20 May 2022 (UTC)

Ice hockey and bandy

When reading this, it says bandy is a variation of hockey, however if you read the sports history it is more rather the other way it went. Ice hockey is a variation of bandy. Ice hockey was development of bandy when there was not enough size big arenas or rinks to play the usual game. You acan also see that that the original name for what is now goes under the name of bandy was then, in in the late 19:^th century was in acctuality "ice hockey" or "hockey on the ice". So, shoulnd't this be written about thouroughlly in the articles about bandy and ice hockey? I think so. ///me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.199.144.201 (talk) 13:52, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

Bandy is a variant of hockey in a broader sense, not a variant of ice hockey more specifically. This is what is actually stated in the article. I don’t know if this should be written more clearly? Bandy and ice hockey have some common history around the turn of the last century, but as hockey goes, they are both hockey sports just like field hockey, para hockey and many other forms. Ove Raul (talk) 22:37, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

Bandy moving indoors

There is now a short passage about this, but there is of course more to say. 95.199.9.197 (talk) 17:56, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

The statue in Earith

There is obviously a statue of a bandy player in Earith, England. The source for this was just an URL for an image, [2], which is not a very good source. I tried to find a better one and found the same image at Pinterest. This is a slightly better source, but still not really good enough. I’ll try to look some more. A news article or some tourist information site would be better as a source. Bandy långe (talk) 19:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

I found a better source now, The Hunts Post. It seems to be a pretty reliable source, even if it describes the history of bandy somewhat wrong. It was probably not thoroughly proof read... Bandy långe (talk) 20:26, 7 October 2021 (UTC)

– Shall I add, that I really would like it if someone else took their time to perhaps check this too? The statue is there, there are enough sources showing it, but is this particular source which I added here good enough for Winipedia? Bandy långe (talk) 07:48, 9 October 2021 (UTC)

Is it necessary to have information about this statue at all? There should be a number of pieces of public art dedicated to bandy, so why this specifically? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.50.54.90 (talk) 12:43, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

Not necessarily for my sake, but I wasn't the one who added the information about this statue in the first place. I suppose you could move it and some other information to an article about bandy in the United Kingdom. Bandy långe (talk) 17:50, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

Content size splits

Procedurally starting this discussion. Does the article need to be split for size, keeping in mind possible expansion? An option would be creating either Rules of bandy or a Glossary of bandy terms. User:力 (powera, π, ν) 17:47, 12 November 2021 (UTC)

Yes, I agree. This could be a good idea, since many parts of the article could be expanded as it is, while the article is pretty long already as it is. A glossary of bandy terms would be much appreciated, I think – it could include information about what terms are used in different languages if these are significantly different, and also comparisons to the use of similar terms in other sports. Bandy rules would also merit its own article, where there could be more room to write about historical development of the rules of the game. Apart from your suggestions, I could imagine and would suggest that there was some other articles added too, with information moved there from this article. I'd like to have an article on History of bandy (where there could be more room to write about the origin of the sport and the split of it from what would become ice hockey, as I understand these sports where originally somewhat of variants of the same sport). I also think there could be room for adding more articles about bandy played in different countries, at least the countries where bandy is most popular, which would be the Russian Federation, Sweden, Finland, Kazakhstan, and perhaps Norway, perhaps other countries too if there is enough good sources to write about it, like probably the United Kingdom and the Netherlands. 92.32.242.138 (talk) 21:09, 28 January 2022 (UTC)

I suppose almost any article could always be split up into multiple articles dealing with different aspects of the matter, if the article is not too short. How large is an article usually considered to have to be, to be considered for splitting up just because of its size? Are there any Wikipedia guide lines for this? Ove Raul (talk) 21:52, 22 February 2022 (UTC)

WP:SPINOUT. Article prose is 8500 words and 49k at present, which puts it just under the "length alone does not justify division" rule of thumb. --Lord Belbury (talk) 08:52, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Thank you. Then it is not necessary yet, but could be soon, depending on how people edit the article. Ove Raul (talk) 13:09, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

I would like an article about public art dedicated to bandy. The information about the statue in Earith could be listed there along with information about statues and plaques in Sweden and other countries. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.50.54.90 (talk) 12:45, 16 March 2022 (UTC)

The statue in Earith is in England and as I stated above, I think it might have its place in an article about bandy in the United Kingdom. Would there be enough interesting information to ad to an article about art dedicated to bandy? I don't know, but I somehow doubt it, even if it would be a good subject for an article. Bandy långe (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I would like to see articles about bandy in different countries. Unlike the present short texts about it in this article, they could be much ellaborated with history and perhaps local rules and customs. Bandy långe (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

I think Rules of bandy and Glossary of bandy terms would both be good subjects for articles of their own. Especially Rules of bandy could be a nice addition to Wikipedia and allow much information to be moved from this article, even if there should still be a section about the rules of the game here. Bandy långe (talk) 17:59, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

International friendlies

Friendly games between national bandy teams have always been important in this sport, both before and since the establishment of the Bandy World Championship. There are usually played many international friendlies every season. I would like the information about this expanded more, first in this article but eventually in a broadly written article of its own, were the history of internatiinal friendleis through the years is described and elaborated upon. In some periods, the friendlies have been very importannt for the development of both the game itself and for the international connections between the nations, such as in the 1910s when bandy was being more established, in the 1950s leading up to the creation of the International Bandy Federation and the arrangement of the frist World Championship tournament, women's games in the 1980s, games to keep the Russians going following the turmoil of the dissolution of the USSR in the 1990... — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.32.242.138 (talk) 11:28, 25 February 2022 (UTC)

If there are good sources, one can write about it in the article. Ove Raul (talk) 13:10, 5 March 2022 (UTC)

Friendlies have been played pretty much, there are annually recurring matches of this kind. This could be the subject of an article of its own, but you can start writing about it in this article and it will be lifted to its own article when there is enough information about it. Bandy långe (talk) 18:03, 22 August 2022 (UTC)

The article’s lead

Someone had left a message here stating that the lead of the article was too long, and I can see why, so I have moved some information which doesn’t have to be present in the lead to other sections of the article. Maybe more can be done, I don’t know. Feel free to give your thoughts on the matter or work it over yourself. Ove Raul (talk) 22:06, 5 September 2022 (UTC)

Bandy clogs

Don’t you use bandy clogs for bandy? Enter to ask (talk) 21:41, 8 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't even know what 'bandy clogs' are. It would not be practical to use clogs when walking on ice, clogs are summer shoes. You wear skates when playing bandy. Ove Raul (talk) 13:56, 17 September 2022 (UTC)

I don't know what 'bandy clogs' are either, but Ove Raul is right. Bandy is played on ice and requires bandy skates (blades). As for informal team winter games and pastimes and the organized team sports played on ice and snow which exist today, there are only four of them that I know of which use footwear but don't use any type of ice skate whatsoever: broomball, Moscow broomball, Curling, and ice stock. With the exception of Moscow broomball, the roots of skateless team sports and games of this nature and their origins are very difficult to nail down (ice stock goes back over 500 years). So who knows. CheckersBoard (talk) 17:56, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

Oops, I forgot Spongee, but that seems to have started to develop in Winnipeg, Canada in the 1950's. It's a cult sport though, a skateless variant which came directly from ice hockey, (non-contact) though players are now increasingly using broomball shoes. CheckersBoard (talk) 22:44, 25 September 2022 (UTC)

Oh, you're a troll who started making multiple accounts within the last month, good to know. Info is there for people who actually get some exercise. CheckersBoard (talk) 13:46, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

German Bandy Federation, requested move

I have sugested a move of the page German Bandy Association to German Bandy Federation, because that is what the organisation names itself at its own homepage. It the move goes through, changes should be made on this page too. Thank you most kindly in advance. 95.199.4.149 (talk) 21:03, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I see it has been already been done, makes sense, thanks :) CheckersBoard (talk) 03:33, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

It’s good that this was moved. I voted in support of the move. I have followed this up by changing links to the article now, including the links from this article. Ove Raul (talk) 06:25, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

2020–22 Bandy World Championship requested move

I also think 2020–22 Bandy World Championship should be named 2020 Bandy World Championship. It was never played in 2021 or 2022, even if plans for that were made. The B division was played in 2020. 95.199.4.149 (talk) 21:38, 18 September 2022 (UTC)

I agree with this idea, but keep in mind the fact that such a change should be done with serious caution because it may conflict with bandy articles already written about this event in other languages like Swedish, Russian, Norwegian, and Finn. I haven't checked those, but it may be best to try and keep those articles aligned in case someone ever wants to translate content from those articles. I've actually run into this problem with other articles regarding sports events and the like before, so that's how I know it can be tricky.

Hopefully there are more editors who are far more aware of how bandy is administrated than I do who can help reach a solid consensus. But since the B division was played in 2020 pre covid it seems to make sense. CheckersBoard (talk) 03:40, 29 September 2022 (UTC)

I appreciate that this move was made. I voted in favour of it. I have changed links to the article accordingly now. Ove Raul (talk) 06:27, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

As far as I understand, the A division games of the 2020 men’s World Championship was moved to 2021 and then cancelled (because of COVID-19), and the World Championship to be held in 2021 was moved to 2022 and then cancelled (for other reasons). There is therefor a reason to also have an article on the 2022 men’s World Championship (i.e. the world championship tournament originally intended to be held in 2021), even if it was totally cancelled. There is an article on it now. Bandy långe (talk) 22:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

When is the noun bandy usel in plural?

According to Collins dictionary, there is a plural form of the word ’bandy’ as a noun. It is bandies. While this seems and sounds logical as a plural form of this word, I find it hard to understand when it should be usel for the sport. I think the name of à sport is usually uncountable and only used in singular form. Am I right?

This is what the dictionary writes:

NOUN

Word forms: plural -dies

8. an early form of hockey, often played on ice

9. a stick, curved at one end, used in the game of bandy

10. an old form of tennis

Collins English Dictionary. Copyright © HarperCollins Publishers

— Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.32.242.138 (talk) 20:29, 26 May 2022 (UTC)

I think a sports name is never used in plural. It is a sort of a un-countable sort of word. So bandies is never used for the sport but bandy can well also mean other thi gs in english, can it not?

///me — Preceding unsigned comment added by 95.199.144.201 (talk) 14:05, 16 June 2022 (UTC)

May I humbly suggest that you put this question up at Wikipedia:Reference desk/Entertainment or Wikipedia:Reference desk/Language in stead? I just have a feeling you might get more and better answers to a question like this there, while the talk page for the article on bandy is really more intended to be a place to discuss Wikipedia’s article on bandy, not the grammar or other linguistic questions about the word bandy. Ove Raul (talk) 22:29, 3 August 2022 (UTC)

I think definition 9, "a stick, curved at one end, used in the game of bandy", would have the plural "bandies". Example: "the players all picked up their bandies before beginning the game". --User:Khajidha (talk) (contributions) 20:10, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Bandy is the sport of royalty and literary greats

content of bandy, which should be better reflected in the text.

(Redacted)

83.187.166.89 (talk) 06:02, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

The redacted text was a direct copy and paste of all the text at https://www.bandyinolympics.com/history. As 3000 words of copyrighted text I've removed it from this talk page, but your general point is noted. --Belbury (talk) 07:58, 5 July 2023 (UTC)

It is an interesting text, but poorly written (or perhaps machine translated to English). However, there are facts in it which very well could fit in a generalarticle about bandy.

Obviously, bandy was a popular passtime for many royal families around the end of the 19^th and beginning of the 20^th Centuries. I think this should be mentined in Wikipedia’s bandy article, although I am not sure how it should be written. It may not be relevant to the story of bandy rules and bandy games, but it shows how the interest in the sport had a place in the highest parts of society beck then. The text then refers to a picture which I do not find where it is said to be, but further down the page. Obviously prince William of the United Kingdom and his wife princess Catherine (Kate) have played bandy, at least at some event.

Further, the text claims that William Shakespeare refers to bandy in his masterpieces. I wonder which if his plays refer to bandy. I am no expert in Shakespeare or his works. Maybe someone else could ekaborate on this. I am doubtful, as bandy does not seem to be that old. When the text cover ancient history of bandy further down the page, it is not really about bandy but about predecessors of the sport, as bandy really was not formulated as a sport with fixed rules until the late Nineteenth Century, as far as I understand. Can you really call it bandy before that?

The text has some interesting points on the name of the sport, but I think that tpic is already covered on Wikipedia.

The part about how bandy ought to be taken up as an Olympic sport is interesting, but might be too ’political’ to take up here on Wikipedia. The subject is already discussed a bit in the Wikipedia article and need not be addressed much more.

Dina Beck (talk) 22:36, 13 July 2023 (UTC)

The interest for bandy among royalty is not only a thing of the past. Even if I don't think they play it nowadays, the King of Sweden Carl XVI Gustaf has shown an interest in bandy and has for example inaugurated some of the bandy world championships when they have been arranged and held in Sweden. His son-in-law Prince Daniel, husband of Crown Princess Victoria, has also been going to bandy and has at least once been the person who handed over the trophy to the newly crowned Swedish Bandy Champions at least once.

As for the great William Shakespeare, I don't believe in the claim that he would have written about bandy in any of his pieces. It is totally unreasonable to think that could be true, since, as already said, he and his dramas predates bandy by at least some hundred years. If there is anything like bandy in any of Shakespeare's plays, I would think it would be some other form of sport or passtime, some which is older. It might be somewhat resembling bandy, but it wouldn't be bandy. That's my take on this question.

Bandyman Desire (talk) 19:27, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

1913 inter-European tournament

Maybe people interested in bandy are interesting in this subject too, since it deals with the early history of bandy. If you look at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships, some user has suggested rather extensive changes to the page, since it is claimed that it was not a tournament between national teams but between club teams from different European countries, and that it was not held in Davos but in St. Moritz. I don't know why the changes are not made to the page, but maybe the user wants it to be discussed first. Please add your thought on the matter at that page. Bandyman Desire (talk) 20:20, 19 November 2023 (UTC)

Should it be merged with the article on the 1913 LIHG Championship? This seems to have been suggested at that talk page, but not led to any conclusive decission.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:29, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

I suggested a merge now, I hope I did it the right way so that it is accknowledged properly and seen by people who might want to have a say in the matter. I suppose the discussion about it should be held at that talk page.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 16:38, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

The discussion about a possible merge is interesting. You might want to take part in it, since it also will affect this article and other articles on bandy history.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 09:02, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

Did the 1913 European Bandy Championships ever happen?

It has been claimed at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships that the 1913 European Bandy Championships never happened and that the article should be 'redirected' to some other page (or maybe even deleted, if I correctly understand the abbreviation used in the discussion). It is an interesting discussion and the outcome would affect this page too, since the 1913 European Bandy Championships is mentioned in the text on the history of bandy as what could have been some pivotal event or so, so here I write a note about it for others to see. Maybe more people could have some valuable input in the matter?  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 15:29, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

I don't know. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Droöoooo (talk • contribs) 16:26, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Even if this European championship tournament never happened but just may be a myth (according to one cointributor at Talk:1913 European Bandy Championships, the first known source ever mentioning the tournament at all was some book in the 1970s, i.e. more than half a century after the alledged event would have taken place) there is reason to have some words about it written somewhere, because if it is a myth, it is still a persistent one since the article has been on Wikipedia for years, there are other sources about it too and the International Bandy Federation (Federation of International Bandy, FIB) arranged a centennary jubilee event around it back in 2014. Now I wonder how the text about this should be written and formulated and in what article it should be published. I am still not that familiar with the workings of Wikipedia to really have my own view on this more than that I think there should be some text about it somewhere in the encyclopedia. I would appreciate input from others on the subject.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 10:47, 22 March 2024 (UTC)

There will have to be changes made to this article and other articles on the history of bandy. We could discuss how this should be described in this article here.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 09:04, 26 March 2024 (UTC)

The 1913 European Championships likely never happened and this is now reflected in this article

I have rewritten the article on the 1913 European Bandy Championships as well as the section in this article about it, reflecting that the competition likely never happened but is more of a myth or perhaps a factoid. Still, it is still worth having some information about it here, as it actually did serve as inspiration for a centennary celebration tournament in 2014, the Four nation bandy tournament in 2014! If you have any opinions on what I have written, please feel free to tell me here. I suppose some other articles about bandy history also need to be updated.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 12:00, 2 April 2024 (UTC)

I think it is fine. Good to have this sorted out. The article on the mythical 1913 tournament could be better sourced, even if there is of course a reason for the lack ofsources as it seem to have never happened, but more sources describing the lack of contemporary sources would be good to have. Now there is only a link to one Russian Internet page and personally, I find ita bit hard to know how credible one can consider that page to be. Pepparkaksgubbe (talk) 03:37, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

Finding sources describing the lack of sources that indicates that some alleged historical event never happened is always a bit difficult. Fact-checking things like this is a challange for credible sources. Better sources are always welcome. Hopefully, there are more which could be added.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 08:04, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

A quick search on the Internet finds no sources of clear credibility. Most seem to refer to eachother or just stating it as if it was a fact, rather than showing any contemporary sources from 1913. Maybe there is some if you look further, but I think you'd have to go through old printed sources if you are to find anything from back in the day when this is supposed to have happened. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 185.104.137.42 (talk) 17:59, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh. I'm sorry, I suppose I should have signed my comments. Even if I am here anonymously and just wanted to share some sourcew which I don't even know if they are credible enough or interesting enough for this encyclopedia project, which seems to be directed towards readers of the general public rather than the academics studying a subject or fans interested in the subject. So here goes...: 185.104.137.42 (talk) 18:05, 11 April 2024 (UTC)

Proposal to merge two articles is now formally closed

The suggestion to merge the articles 1913 LIHG Championship and 1913 European Bandy Championships is now formally closed. The articles will not be merged, but there will be a statement in the article on the 1913 European Bandy Championships that this tournament likely never happened and the information about it probably is confused with actual information about the 1913 LIHG Championship. I write about this here because it has been discussed here, but if anyone still wants to add to the discussion about it, I think it might be better to it at talk:1913 European Bandy Championships. I think discussions of this kind sometimes never ends but will be taken up again and again.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 08:26, 18 April 2024 (UTC)

Should 'short bandy' have its own article?

So a relatively new developed version of bandy played at small rinks just like rink bandy, is the form called 'short bandy'. It seems to have been created in Czechia and is supposed to be better for preparing for bandy played at regular sized bandy rinks. Should it have its own article or should it be better described in this article or in the article on rink bandy? Bandyman Desire (talk) 03:35, 26 November 2023 (UTC)

Yes, I think so. It would be interesting to learn more about it.  ; As we see the human society is liquid, we are all just running with the flow (talk) 10:27, 15 March 2024 (UTC)

If there is enough to say about it and there are good sources, I think it could have its own article. If not, it might be enough to mention it in the article on rink bandy. Is it only played in Czechia? Ove Raul (talk) 13:43, 2 May 2024 (UTC)

Anything more about fans and supporters?

There is really nothing written about supporter culture in this article. Can I find more about it somewhere else at Wikipædia? Most sports have a dedicated fan base and supporter rivalries between teams. 2A00:801:76C:AD53:0:0:30BC:201F (talk) 05:58, 9 June 2023 (UTC)

It would be interesting to cover this subject at least somewhat generally. It is off course a subject which has a direct connection to the sport itself. There should be some newspaper or magazine articles or similar relating to this subject, which could be given as references for the sources given. I suppose something like that would be wanted or perhaps even a requirement, to write about it here.

Bandyman Desire (talk) 19:35, 17 November 2023 (UTC)

There are well-known rivalries in this sport, for example between fans of Edsbyn and Bollnäs in Sweden. --Green leaves okay (talk) 14:57, 10 May 2024 (UTC)