Talk:Ballpark

Amatuerish

This article struck me as really a bit odd and amateurish. It doesn't read well and it just kind of jumps into the topic midstream without anything approaching a proper introduction or context. Also, it's specifically about major league parks, not baseball parks in general, so at the very least, it needs to be renamed. Somebody with an interest in MLB ballparks, or baseball in general, needs to take this article and overhaul it. It also needs many more pictures of the parks described. I know some people have worked hard to add good info to this article--kudos to them--but it needs some real work. My $.02. Jeeb 02:53, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

I think it should cover minor league parks as well. --Pwnage8 (talk) 07:27, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

Proverb

I was looking for the proverb "in the same ball park". I guess it means it is maybe not exactly on the spot, but at least close..—Preceding unsigned comment added by 192.89.178.122 (talk • contribs) 13:53, 31 May 2007

Images

This article has way too many images, most of them of low quality. Cacophony 04:08, 2 June 2007 (UTC)

Feways attendance

Fenway parks official night attendance is 38,805 found on Fenways wikipage. Redsox382007Redsox382007 03:41, 24 August 2007 (UTC)

Ballpark sizes

It's incorrect to say that the dimensions of a soccer field are fixed. As in baseball, the dimensions of certain parts of the field (viz., center circle, goal area, and penalty area) are rigidly set. However, the overall dimensions of the field are flexible, with defined limits. FIFA has recently moved toward greater standardization in field dimensions, but I'm not sure what the new specs are.

Are you saying a regulation soccer field is not necessarily 100 yards from goal line to goal line? Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 18:53, 19 April 2008 (UTC)

Yes, that's what he's saying. See Association football pitch. Willy turner (talk) 23:53, 21 August 2008 (UTC)

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Fixed. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 09:19, 9 September 2008 (UTC)

Ballparks outside North America

This article only focuses on American ballparks. Since this is English Wikipedia and not American Wikipedia, how about adding info on stadiums in Japan or Latin America? Richiekim (talk) 00:32, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

The focus of the article tends to be on Major League Baseball. That does not preclude minor leagues being brought into the discussion. Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} 00:55, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Yankee Stadium

Let's not remove Yankee Stadium quite yet. It's still the home of the Yankees until the end of the season. And actually technically until next April. And it is not "closed" yet. Same reasoning. --Woohookitty^Woohoo! 07:36, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

"Converted parks"

Is that section only for parks that have been converted to another use after the baseball tenant left, or could it also include stadiums that were retrofitted for baseball? I ask this because Exhibition Stadium is included here, eventhough it was completely demolished before BMO Field was built on the same site. However, it meets the potential second criteria. --Pwnage8 (talk) 07:25, 4 October 2008 (UTC)

table of jewel parks

should cleveland stadium and milwaukee county stadium really be include? milwaukee was buit in 1953 and Cleveland was design for football as well as baseball . also Cleveland's league park should be included Smith03 (talk) 19:06, 26 April 2009 (UTC)

Article cleanup

This article is essentially unreferenced, and sounds like original research in places. That's not to say it isn't informative, but there are a pile of facts that ought to have sources. Also, as noted earlier, it deals almost exclusively with major league baseball in North America. If we want to retain that focus, it should be moved appropriately, e.g. to "North American major league baseball parks". (We can always redirect the existing title until the subject is filled out with appropriate articles on baseball parks in general, or in other regions.) Any comments or problems with those ideas? TheFeds 05:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

So it's been 3 years, and these concerns haven't been dealt with. It's time to make this article generic in scope like the title implies (and merge reliably sourced content to List of Major League Baseball stadiums).

The sections "Types of baseball parks", "Current Major League ballparks" and "Unique features and quirks of current major league parks" are grievously unsourced (as of this revision: https://en.wiki.x.io/w/index.php?title=Baseball_park&oldid=520825901). What shall we do about them? We could remove them, and let interested editors restore them with sources cited. We could leave them, but that's several thousand words of original research. The incubator is an alternative (although it's not so active these days, and we'd have to IAR the criteria to list it). Any other solutions? TheFeds 07:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

And here we are 5 1/2 years later and still the same junknis in the article. Not only that, but I know for a fact a good chunk of it is overly close paraphrasing of personal website that contains profiles of the ballparks (Clem's Baseball. Fun site, but as an WP:SPS is unusable as a source.) I'm tempted to just torpedoed the whole section because of the copyright concerns. oknazevad (talk) 17:26, 12 April 2018 (UTC)

Minor League Parks

I believe that the article incorrectly states that minor league ballparks always have one tiered seating. If I understand the statement correctly, this is not 100% true. I can think of some stadiums, notably the AAA Sacramento Rivercat's ballpark "Raley Field" which has two tiered seating. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.161.162.246 (talk) 02:15, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

Coca-Cola Field in Buffalo, for example, has two levels. There are others also, both past and present. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 02:23, 9 July 2010 (UTC)

600 feet from the plate?

I don't think so. Even the worst of them wouldn't have been much more than 500. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 23:29, 18 November 2010 (UTC)

Some seats at the Kingdome were as far as 613 feet from the plate, and some at the Murph were just a hair over 600 feet. The worst was Exhibition Stadium, at a whopping 820 feet. Blueboy96 13:22, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

What's your source for that info? ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 15:09, 19 November 2010 (UTC)

Proposed Tampa ballpark

Unless the diamond has 5 bases in its infield, or pogo sticks instead of seats, it's not correct to say that a ballpark bears no resemblance to any other. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 04:15, 5 May 2012 (UTC)

Fenway's "The Belly"

In the "Unique Features" section of the article, it mentions "The Belly" in right field. I don't believe that this nickname is commonly used to describe the area (in fact, I've never heard any part of the park called this). If anything, this section should be replaced by "The Triangle" in center field. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.48.149.62 (talk) 02:10, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

It's been referred to that way by sources. Whether it's really in common use beyond that, is perhaps something that should be researched. ←Baseball Bugs ^{What's up, Doc?} carrots→ 03:04, 8 July 2012 (UTC)

Baseball assessment comment

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A lot of information, but no references. - Mattingly23 17:36, 15 April 2007 (UTC)

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Baseball Park Definition

The current definition was changed without citation or discussion. I rolled the article back to the WP:Status Quo until there’s support for change. The current summary is currently not sourced so a consensus is needed to make changes to this section. This is being discussed on the WikiProject_Baseball as well for how to deal with Major League venues. Nemov (talk) 16:44, 26 January 2022 (UTC)

Back Bay Barry you changed the definition again without support. I added the dictionary source and that seems to be the most common interpretation of the word ballpark or baseball park. A ballpark is a park or stadium in which ball games are played. Unless you have sources that say different that's the definition. Thanks. Nemov (talk) 22:40, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Without support? There's a discussion that you yourself opened in which multiple editors agreed that a baseball stadium is a baseball stadium. Please explain yourself. Back Bay Barry (talk) 23:01, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

that discussion is here, if anyone else is wondering. Back Bay Barry (talk) 23:05, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Also, the article is called "baseball park", and you're using the definition of "ballpark" as a source for your change. You can't just say two things are exactly the same without reliable sourcing. Back Bay Barry (talk) 23:07, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I'm being patient with you since you appear to be a new user, but you seem to be hasty in making changes without letting things get resolved. I steered you to this section when you made your initial change and you ignored it. The discussionis separate to this article. That's about how or if there should be a standard applied to MLB venues. This is an article about Baseball park and ballpark is synonymous. "Ballpark" leads to this article. I'm not sure why you removed it, but you've reverted my good faith changes and ignored more comment in talk. I'm restoring the definition and please do not change it unless you have support for your change. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 23:21, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

You added a source that doesn't even define the article title. As for support, I think you know the support is there. But that's okay, go ahead and change it. I'm being patient with you, since you appear to think you own this article. I'm restoring the definition and please do not change it unless you have support for your change. Back Bay Barry (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

Propose changing title of this article to "baseball stadium"

Right now, "baseball stadium" redirects here. No one says "baseball park". "Baseball stadium" is by far the more standard name for these places. Also, 90% of this article is about MLB stadiums. I believe the name should be changed to "baseball stadium" and "baseball park" should redirect here. Back Bay Barry (talk) 23:28, 13 February 2022 (UTC)

I think renaming to "ballpark" is more apt. isaacl (talk) 01:44, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I think that would also be preferable to the current name. Back Bay Barry (talk) 02:15, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

Agree, "ballpark" makes more sense to me. Nemov (talk) 03:16, 14 February 2022 (UTC)

I am late getting to this (I do not edit regularly anymore) but I agree with Nemov, "ballpark" makes more sense to me as well. If anything, there should be a separate section within this article named "Ballpark" dedicated to "Baseball stadiums", as much of this current article seems to be about stadiums. Argles Barkley (talk) 20:09, 23 February 2022 (UTC)

Requested move 2 March 2022

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Baseball park → Ballpark – Ballpark is clearer and is a more widely used phrase than "Baseball Park." Nemov (talk) 16:45, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

• Oppose 'Ballpark', weak support for 'Baseball stadium'. 'Ballpark' is colloquial, and the 'ball' in question is short for 'baseball'; along the same lines, Americans often talk about "ball games" and "playing ball", and it is understood that baseball is what is meant, but that kind of language would be unencyclopaedic. I also have great difficulty imagining that anyone who knows what a "ballpark" is could honestly be confused over what a "baseball park" is; contrariwise, it isn't hard at all to imagine that someone could not know what specifically a "ballpark" (what kind of 'ball'? not everyone is American) but would understand 'baseball park'. If others think 'baseball stadium' is better, I'm fine with that. 2600:1702:4960:1DE0:214B:15FF:24A6:C4BD (talk) 19:05, 2 March 2022 (UTC)

  I'm not sure I understand your objection. The Webster's definition of ballpark is "a park or stadium in which ball games (such as baseball) are played." The reason this change is being proposed is people don't say "baseball park." They say "ballpark." It's the Braves home ballpark. I rarely ever hear someone say "it's their baseball park" or "it's their baseball stadium." Kind of the same way people go to airports and not airplane ports. Thanks! Nemov (talk)

• As discussed in an earlier thread, I agree with changing the article title to "ballpark", which is the idiomatic phrase. I disagree with "baseball stadium", which is a particular category of ballparks. isaacl (talk) 21:43, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support While I understand the sentiment above that ballpark feels like the colloquial shorthand for baseball park, it's not. The current title is not particularly common, while the proposed one both the common term and used in sources ranging from the New York Times to the official MLB site itself, and not in the context of colloquial shorthand. While baseball stadium is certainly more commonly used than the current title, the concern above, that it is a subcategory of ballparks and not the comprehensive term, seems valid.--Yaksar (let's chat) 23:51, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
• Support per WP:COMMONNAME. Rreagan007 (talk) 18:57, 4 March 2022 (UTC)

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Baseball Stadiums

@Fred Zepelin Instead of making another revert you really should create a discussion first involving @Oknazevad. I don't think an RfC is necessary yet. I'm rolling back to the status quo until there's a consensus on moving forward. Thanks! Nemov (talk) 01:54, 14 December 2022 (UTC)

Well, as I said in my removal, it's not a good reference. They are a set of contract obligations; they apply only to the parties of those contracts. They're not defining baseball stadiums in general, only saying what is required for those stadiums in particular. That makes it a case of failed verification, and readily subject to removal. oknazevad (talk) 02:31, 14 December 2022 (UTC)