Talk:Attacks on civilians in the Russian invasion of Ukraine
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Interim report of the Secretary-General on the situation of human rights
editOriginal UN document is entitled "...in the temporarily occupied Autonomous Republic of Crimea and the city of Sevastopol, Ukraine". Paragraph being quoted, in turn, says "across Ukraine". It is clear that UN High Commissioner for Human Rights provided a total numbers of casualties, including even those on Russian territory. Furthermore, UN report does not specify which side is responsible for civilian casualties due to shelling, missile and air strikes, etc. It also directly implicates ukrainian armed forces in not being complient with IHL in eastern parts of the country, which, again, contributes to the fact that provided numbers include casualties inflicted either by unknown actors, or at least by both sides. However, wiki article explicitely attributes civilian casualties to actions carried out by russian army. This is frame-up.
Original: ″Most of the documented civilian casualties were caused by the use of explosive weapons in populated areas. Shelling from heavy artillery, such as multiple launch rocket systems, and missile and air strikes, including weapons that can carry cluster munitions, were used repeatedly.″
Article: ″reported that most of the civilian casualties documented by her office had been caused by the Russian army's repeated use of explosive weapons in populated areas.″ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.62.56.206 (talk) 17:07, 7 June 2023 (UTC)
Orphaned references in Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine
editI check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Attacks on civilians in the 2022 Russian invasion of Ukraine's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.
Reference named "svoboda":
- From List of Russian generals killed during the 2022 invasion of Ukraine: Anna Mukhina; Mark Krutov (3 March 2022). ""Звоните в ФСБ". В Россию пошли первые "похоронки"" ["Call the FSB." The first "funerals" went to Russia]. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (in Russian). Archived from the original on 5 March 2022. Retrieved 4 March 2022.
- From Andrei Sukhovetsky: Anna Mukhina; Mark Krutov (3 March 2022). ""Звоните в ФСБ". В Россию пошли первые "похоронки"" ["Call the FSB." The first "funerals" went to Russia]. Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty (in Russian). Archived from the original on 5 March 2022. Retrieved 4 March 2022.
- From Chasiv Yar missile strike: "Число жертв удара по городу Часов Яр достигло 15". Radio Free Europe/Radio Liberty. Archived from the original on 10 July 2022. Retrieved 10 July 2022.
I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 19:19, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Done Gitz (talk) (contribs) 09:33, 26 August 2022 (UTC)
Not enough info
editNot that i am a supporter of russia; But I heard on the news that both sides have attacked civilians, but this article only shows russia attacking civilians, but not Ukraine. Can someone add this part in? Thehistorianisaac (talk) 13:32, 24 December 2022 (UTC)
- The lead says that most of the attacks were committed by Russia. The article also discusses the attacks on the civilian targets in the territories controlled by DPR/LPR/Russia. If you have RS that describe more attacks please add them. Alaexis¿question? 07:58, 25 December 2022 (UTC)
Motives for the attacks on civilians
editEven though the deliberate Russian attacks against civilians are documented extensively, I miss a chapter on the motives for these attacks. Are there military or purely vindictive or even genocidal motives? Would Russia be militarily in a different position if it hadn't carried out these attacks?--93.218.73.103 (talk) 13:07, 19 August 2023 (UTC)
Why is there no mention of the frequent shelling attacks in Donetsk City?
editThe title of the article is neutral yet the content seems completely biased. Alexiscoutinho (talk) 01:49, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Some of the attacks are mentioned here. On the other hand, such prominent attacks as Maisky Market attack, March 2022 Donetsk attack and September 2022 Donetsk attack are not mentioned.
- The problem with the events in the Russian-controlled territories is that, with very few exceptions, no foreign media outlets are allowed there, and the local ones are affected by the wartime restrictions on media in Russia. It's worth looking at this again to check what RS say about it. Alaexis¿question? 07:02, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah. It is quite important to be complete here, because if the article massively focus on Russian attacks, it's just going to be petty. Furthermore, Ukraine also greatly limits access to foreign media outlets (the latest Kostiantynivka incident for example), so coverage of most other incidents is not completely reliable either. Alexiscoutinho (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
- Most of the article is about Russian attacks because most attacks on civilians are by Russia. Anyone is free to add Ukrainian attacks to the article. – Asarlaí (talk) 11:09, 10 October 2023 (UTC)
- Yeah. It is quite important to be complete here, because if the article massively focus on Russian attacks, it's just going to be petty. Furthermore, Ukraine also greatly limits access to foreign media outlets (the latest Kostiantynivka incident for example), so coverage of most other incidents is not completely reliable either. Alexiscoutinho (talk) 14:54, 20 September 2023 (UTC)
Drone strikes on Moscow, Incursion into Belgorod?
editWould drone strikes into Russian territory not also be grouped into this page? The title is neutral on both sides but only mentions Russian war crimes (however despicable and common) without proper consideration in my opinion. I fail to understand how these attacks into Russia are not considered to be deliberate strikes on civilians, I can't see them as anything other than vindictive and used to hurt civilian morale. Bombing a Moscow apartment has no military value, and can easily be compared to state terrorism, every AD position is likely well known to the ZSU with NATO intel otherwise the drones would have never gotten close to begin with.
(https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/Attacks_in_Russia_during_the_Russian_invasion_of_Ukraine) for example includes many examples, essentially accepted to be carried out by the ZSU by reputable news and common sense. 2001:464D:E9D:0:BD8C:EF59:9820:E0A0 (talk) 22:02, 2 January 2024 (UTC)
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