Talk:Apple IIe

Published source needed

I removed the references from the following sentences, but left the sentences intact. References have to be published. Leschnei (talk) 23:50, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

The Apple IIe was the first Apple computer with a custom ASIC chip, which reduced much of the old discrete IC-based circuitry to a single chip, reducing cost and the size of the motherboard.<ref>Personal knowledge - I was the Apple II product marketing manager</ref> Some of the hardware features of the Apple III (e.g. bank-switched memory)<ref>ibid</ref> were borrowed in the design of the Apple IIe, and some from incorporating the Apple II Plus Language card.<ref>ibid</ref> The culmination of these changes led to increased sales and greater market share of home, education <ref>ibid</ref> and small business use.

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What a weird article: no resolution, no colour depth per pixel etc mentioned

No one knows even these basic facts about the machines? 93.185.27.53 (talk) 09:13, 14 October 2018 (UTC)

I'm the original writer/contributor of this article, so I can tell you that information has been there from the very start (late 2005). Look at the section 4, titled "specifications" (<-click here to jump directly to it).

You'll find the four supported resolutions specified here: Low-Res, Double-Low-Res, High-Res and Double-Hi-Res. It's even noted how the horizontal resolution changes depending if the graphic mode is displayed in monochrome or color. There is also a mention of number of colors available, but not stated as color depth bits. The Apple IIe has a fixed color palette, and a limited one at that. Technically the depth of the palette is 4-bit for all graphics modes, except High-Res which is 3-bit (well, effectively even lower because you don't count black #2 and white #2 as distinctive colors). It's not stated that way because we're talking about a fixed palette of 16 or 6 colors, and non-selectable. It's much simpler and easier to read 'you have such and such a resolution with 16 colors....or 6 colors'. Looking at the Commodore 64 article, which has a similar color palette, they don't list bit depths there either. I did add a "technical specifications" section to the Apple IIGS article a long time ago, and there I did list color depth because its graphics are far more advanced and complex.

The Apple IIe does not have sprites or any video co-processors, so not really much more to detail than what's already given in the article. If you do see some specific technical information missing, feel free to share that here and either I, or one of the other editors here, will do our best to add that. --Apple2gs (talk) 20:41, 15 October 2018 (UTC)

Apple ][c as a successor

Although the Apple IIc was produced later, and mostly based on the Apple IIe, it might not be considered a successor because of its lack of expansion capabilities. And mostly for this reason the public shunned it, as sales of the IIe were not moved to the IIc, and stayed strong. So the IIc might be more of a younger brother to the IIe than a true successor. Dhrm77 (talk) 18:36, 4 October 2023 (UTC)

The Apple IIc was entirely based on the Apple IIe (from top to bottom), and was never considered a successor by Apple. The best evidence of this is an ad booklet Apple released in early 1984 that stated, "IIe or IIc: that is the question." As I originally mentioned when I created the Apple IIc Wikipedia article, it was a portable version of the Apple IIe meant to complement it.

THE most important feature and strength of the Apple II was its expandability through its 8 slots, something no other home computer had at that time. That is why many chose the IIe over the IIc (and the portability of the IIc was never really there, it lacked a battery and the LCD screen option was a flop since it was nearly unusable). The new features of the Apple IIc (CMOS verison of 6502, improved firmware) were easily brought over to the IIe via the 4-chip Enhancement kit, leaving the only thing missing from the IIe the IIc's built-in peripherals/add-ons. Definitely not a successor to the IIe, it was just a plug'n play and semi-portable version of the Apple II, which likely was all some families needed.--Apple2gs (talk) 21:26, 6 October 2023 (UTC)

It seems to me, only the IIGS should be listed in the successor section of infobox. Apple IIc should be in “Related” section. ShadyCrack (talk) 04:44, 7 October 2023 (UTC)

It still perplexes me, decades later, why the Apple IIGS wasn't the direct successor to the Apple IIe. I mean clearly it WAS, as it was fully backwards compatible, not only in terms of software (able to run +99% of 8-bit Apple IIe titles) but in hardware as well. You did not lose any of your Apple II investment as a user moving from a IIe to a IIGS, and they even offered a IIe->IIGS motherboard replacement for those that wanted to keep the IIe form-factor. There was absolutely no reason to continue manufacturing or selling the Apple IIe after September 1986...yet Apple did, and even longer than the IIGS was in production. You can bet it hindered IIGS software development and support.

The IIGS SHOULD have been the IIe's successor, but officially it was not. And for that reason, we cannot put it in the infobox. I'm okay with IIc being in the infobox as related, as it was. Though in the meantime, I see someone listed several random machines as the IIe's successor (Lisa, Mac, IIc, IIc+ and IIGS). I'll have to correct that, as the IIe had no official successor.--Apple2gs (talk) 09:27, 8 October 2023 (UTC)