Talk:Anizah
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Name Change
editThis may be trivial, but I feel that the page should be renamed from (`Anizzah) to ('Anizzah) due to the fact that the single quote (') appears to be more commonly used than the (`) to denote the letter 'ain in the Arabic language. Does anyone else agree or disagree? -Zer0fighta (talk) 02:45, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
- No objection here. You can also move it to a more common spelling if you want to. -- Slacker (talk) 02:56, 20 April 2008 (UTC)
The Arabic Wikipedia article says "عنزة (بفتح العين والنون". This implies the accurate romanization cAnazah (or ˤAnazah or ʿAnazah). Some people use the backwards apostrophe ` instead of the c , ˤ , or ʿ , in order to make it clear that it's not alif-hamzah. Anyway, right now the article spells the name three different ways: `Anizzah, `Anazzah, `Annazah. They can't all be right, and if the Arabic Wikipedia is correct then none of the three is right. If the Arabic Wikipedia is wrong, maybe the correct representation is cAnizah. Doubling a letter, like the zz or nn, indicates shaddah. If there's no shaddah in this tribe name, there should be no double letter in its English romanized version. It just looks silly and amateurish to anyone who is familiar with standards for representing Arabic in English letters. (And if you add double letters when there's no shaddah, how are you going to indicate the shaddah in a word like شمّر ?)
Vandalism
editSomeone attempted to vandalise this page by claiming Anizzah are in fact a Qahtanite tribe, so I reverted the changes. Please keep your eyes out for any future vandalism. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2.50.7.221 (talk) 02:01, 9 July 2016 (UTC)
Caught the vandalism once more. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Manizi (talk • contribs) 23:05, 26 July 2016 (UTC)
Flag
editThe flag of the 'Anazzah is marked under "own work". Given that the image seems... Somewhat unusually designed - appearing to mimic a photograph of a real-life cloth banner, rather than the purely digital image it so clearly is - does anyone actually have any source on a flag or banner ever used by the 'Anazzah people? WikiCobalt-Chloride- (talk) 21:02, 6 July 2022 (UTC)
Historical information of the tribe
editI have put correct information for this page and included the sources with it, but unfortunately someone comes and spoils everything. This current article contains many errors such as the number of this tribe, which does not unite an official census or the lineage of this tribe, which has been established an incorrect series of ancestry and put two branches that are originally considered two tribes and They are originally cousins of This tribe , and there is unfortunately information in this article that says, “According to the Encyclopedia of Islam, “it is not known when they came,” knowing that the places of this tribe are recorded in ancient historical books and also in the “Notable people” paragraph, personalities who do not belong to this tribe were placed, such as Ahmad Ibn Hanbal and Al-Muthanna ibn Haritha, who are originally from the tribe Bakr bin Wael I hope the editors will put this article | 14:40, 18 July 2022 2001:16a2:469b:4b00:e53a:cca7:7fcb:692d | Backed by the right references and sources. 2001:16A2:469B:4B00:10F7:E12B:E8C:6D32 (talk) 17:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
- Hi 2001:16A2:469B:4B00:10F7:E12B:E8C:6D32, thanks for posting here. I am personally not engaged with the content of this article. However, I noticed that since 29 November 2021 (which I restored earlier today) almost all edits were adding stuff without citing sources, removing stuff that had sources, and reverting the edits of other users without discussion on the talk page. This is called 'edit warring' (please see WP:WAR), which is not allowed. Please cite reliable sources for all your changes, and please take it slowly: why not changing one thing at a time and see whether other editors agree? Especially, when someone undoes ('reverts') your edit, you must discuss on the talk page.As long as the page is protected, you can request such a small and specific change by using the {{Edit semi-protected}} template. If it concerns an addition to the article, please quote the exact text you want to add and cite an appropriate source. If it concerns a removal of sourced information, please try go get consensus for that removal on the talk page first. Thanks, ☿ Apaugasma (talk ☉) 18:18, 20 July 2022 (UTC)
Inconsistent Name across the page
editThe page uses a few different romanization spellings: Anazzah, Anazah, `Anazzah, `Annizah, `Annazah, Aneeza. This should be fixed.
To clarify, عنزة in the Najdi dialect of the tribe is pronounced ʕnizah. I'm not sure how it's pronounced in Classical Arabic, but ʕanazah, ʕanizah, or ʕinazah all make sense with its Arabic spelling. In the Najdi dialect, /a/ is often raised in open syllables to [i] or [u], and nonfinal open syllables are merged by deleting the first vowel. So any of ʕanazah, ʕanizah, or ʕinazah would become ʕnizah.
The name has no gemination on the n or the z, and no long vowels. Anazzah, Annazah, and Aneeza are all incorrect. "Aneeza" is probably a mix up with the city of Unaizah, often pronounced ʕnēzah.
The sources in this page use Anazah [1], Anizah [2] [3] [4] , and Anazeh [5].
I suggest we change it to Anizah and make it consistent across the page. High surv (talk) 22:26, 20 August 2022 (UTC)
Requested move 28 August 2022
edit- The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.
The result of the move request was: moved as unopposed per WP:RMNOMIN. (closed by non-admin page mover) Extraordinary Writ (talk) 17:38, 12 September 2022 (UTC)
Anazzah → Anizah – This is the most well-sourced romanization of the name from the sources used in the page[6]
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[8], and it is closer to the autonym in the Anizi dialect. The current title does not seem to be sourced, and implies gemination on the Z when there is none. See discussion above for more details. High surv (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC) High surv (talk) 15:33, 28 August 2022 (UTC) — Relisting. – robertsky (talk) 15:42, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
References
- ^ J. E. Peterson Historical Dictionary of Saudi Arabia, P. 68. ISBN 9781538119808.
- ^ https://sites.google.com/site/sauditribes/family-profiles/sample-profile
- ^ "Role of Ikhwan in Early Saudi State"
- ^ *De Gaury, Gerald. Review of the 'Anizah Tribe. Kutub. ISBN 9953-417-97-0.
- ^ *Robinson, E.; Smith, E. (1841). Biblical Researches in Palestine, Mount Sinai and Arabia Petraea: A Journal of Travels in the year 1838. Vol. 2. Boston: Crocker & Brewster. (p. 584 ff)
- ^ https://sites.google.com/site/sauditribes/family-profiles/sample-profile
- ^ "Role of Ikhwan in Early Saudi State"
- ^ *De Gaury, Gerald. Review of the 'Anizah Tribe. Kutub. ISBN 9953-417-97-0.
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fix this sentence, missing word
editThe royal family of Saudi Arabia Al Saud family are the XXXX from the 'Anizah tribe, with Al Saud having ancestry from Wa'il, the region's native inhabitants as well as the migratory `Anizah. 2600:6C51:7FF0:350:858E:26E6:61A6:7777 (talk) 01:23, 30 November 2022 (UTC)