Talk:An Evening with Silk Sonic

Song's length

A user, Zvig47, states that "Put On a Smile" and "Blast Off" have different lengths. The former is "4:15", however, the user says it is "4:16", the latter it is "4:44", the user states is "4:45". Nevertheless, we are using the same source? Evening with Silk Sonic but I guess we see differences in the length?

Kind regards, MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 21:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

There really was no need to start a new section in the talk page for this. If there was a way I could screenshot it and show you I would. The link you provided said it was not available in the United States. If you are not in the United States perhaps your source differs from mine. Nevertheless, it should abide by the United States source. Zvig47 (talk) 22:16, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

It's better to open the section rater than revert and revert. The source is in the US. Not another one in Europe or something else. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 22:49, 6 March 2022 (UTC)

Well for some reason it said it was a foreign source. For now keep the page the way it is, the source you provided shows exactly what the page reflects. Like I said, even if you put your times for the songs down, it doesn’t add up to 31:20. It would add up to 31:17. I took time to add them all together and the true time is 31:19 without Love’s Train. I am in no way insulting you or what you have done, I’m just simply saying the source that is there and even the source you provided is shown on the page. If you have to check again, because each time the page is changed I check the source again just to make sure, and it always is the times what I have put. Zvig47 (talk) 00:08, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Even if it is a foreign source the time is the same. No, let's keep the way it was. [1], this one shows the excat time I said. Also Spotify adds the time up to 31:19, sodespite having the time of the songs right the total lenght is wrong on Spotify? Even on the other releases the time of each song is the same. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 02:18, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You have not provided a link that supports your edits and are not editing with the source provided in mind. Your edits are also contradicting themselves. You said in the same edit the length was 31:17 and 31:20. Proof read. Zvig47 (talk) 04:33, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

You are joking, right? Both links support the length of the songs. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:41, 7 March 2022 (UTC)

Platinum certification

I have no interest in starting an edit war, but Bruno Mars Tweeted today that the album was certified Platinum. I wasn't able to find anything about it on the RIAA's site either, but maybe they've just been slow to update. Perhaps a tweet isn't an adequate enough source in this case, but it's still worth putting out there. ---The Pastrami-Eating Bulldog 02:20, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

Wait for the RIAA source to update. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:41, 20 August 2022 (UTC)

GA Review

The following discussion is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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This review is transcluded from Talk:An Evening with Silk Sonic/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Nominator: MarioSoulTruthFan (talk · contribs) 16:12, 12 October 2024 (UTC)

Reviewer: Locust member (talk · contribs) 21:28, 26 November 2024 (UTC)

This will be my first time reviewing a GAN so bear with me. I'm excited though!

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable, as shown by a source spot-check. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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Comments

Well-written

• Paak's lyrics usually address contemporary matters...which are not represented on the record. — suggest "While .Paak's lyrics usually adress contemporary matters...these are not represented on the record."

Y -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

Thank you for the help so far! Let's keep it going! MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:42, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• "Leave the Door Open" and "Smokin out the Window", which were commercially successful, while "Skate" charted moderately, "Love's Train" and "After Last Night" had minor commercial success. — would change to ""Leave the Door Open" and "Smokin out the Window", which were commercially successful, "Skate", which charted moderately, and "Love's Train" and "After Last Night", which both had minor commercial success." the original wording doesn't flow very well.

Y -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Would remove the second paragraph in the Background section. Information is already addressed in the Release and promotion section so it's kinda redundant. It also reads as if the album's title wasn't An Evening with Silk Sonic.

Don't forget this one ^^

Y. Please check both sections. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:06, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Looks good Locust member (talk) 17:13, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• derived from old-school Motown influence. — link "Motown"

Y -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

• Silk Sonic decided not to address the police killings and the pandemic on their music. — change to "in their music."

Y -Dcdiehardfan (talk) 21:40, 27 November 2024 (UTC)

For the most part, prose and background sections look good after those are tweaked.

• They created an amusing "stressed-out" man smoking too many cigarettes as he tries to find his way out of "anxious" situations. — this reads very strangely. I wasn't sure what it even meant until I looked at the source. I suggest something along the lines of "They imagined a "stressed-out" man smoking too many cigarettes as he tries to find his way out of "anxious" situations saying this phrase."

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• When they were unhappy with the version created, they remixed it so that everyone from Mars to the engineer's assistant, liked it. — this reads like it's talking about the one song that didn't make the album. In the reference, D'Mile was just talking in general. I'd change to something like "Some songs on the album would have up to four versions that D'Mile liked, but Mars would be unhappy with the versions created. So, they would remix it so that everyone from Mars to the engineer's assistant, liked it."

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

All I have to say about the Recording section!

Other than some minor copyediting tweaks (which I did myself), no complaints about the Composition section. Very, very well-written.

• In late February 2021, Mars and .Paak announced on social media the formation of their new band, Silk Sonic, and revealed the artwork for their debut studio album, titled An Evening with Silk Sonic. — Would just simplify this to "In late February 2021, Mars and .Paak announced on social media the formation of their new band, Silk Sonic, and revealed the artwork for An Evening with Silk Sonic."

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• I also would just like to ask you about your opinion on WP:FALSETITLEs (e.g. saying "American singer-songwriter Bruno Mars" instead of "the American singer-songwriter Bruno Mars). I see there's a lot of them in this article, but there is in a ton of good articles (and I believe some featured articles) so I won't be too nit picky about it. If you're fine with me changing these false titles, let me know I'll just do it myself.

Fine by me. 13:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)MarioSoulTruthFan (talk)

• Also, remove Love's Train from the singles section in the infobox per Template:Infobox album; "Do not include singles that were added as bonus tracks on a re-release of an album."

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:56, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

• Accolades subsection looks good.

Verifiable with no original research

• It is the most acclaimed studio album of Mars' career and .Paak's second most, after Malibu. — according to whom? Not addressed later in the article and is a very broad claim.
• According to Metacritc as been added on the Lead. I will also add it to the prose on the "critical reception" section. However, I can't provide a source, for the time being, as metacritic is creating a new music section, so some stuff is messed up. I wanted to use Mars' and Paak's music pages, but they don't work for now. Any suggestions? MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:46, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  I thought about getting an archive of Mars' and .Paak's pages, but looks like there aren't any from the Silk Sonic era on both. I'll try to think of a solution. Worst comes to worst, we could source an archive of every Mars and .Paak album on Metacritic. Locust member (talk) 13:20, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  The silk sonic era is already covered by the source given. So no need for that. The reader only needs to open the sources and compare them (pretty simple and straight forward). Henceforth I wanted their music pages, messed up for now...maybe they will finish working on those on time? If not I can remove the sentence? Let me know your preference! MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:54, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Honestly, I'm fine with keeping the sentence in. It's true...it's just Metacritic has been flaky recently. Once their pages can get back up and running then I'm fine with tossing that information in as it is relevant when sourced. Locust member (talk) 14:43, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

  Agreed. If your mind changes let me know. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:57, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Mars reunited with frequent collaborators, American songwriter and producer Christopher Brody Brown — I know Brody Brown worked on the album but his name isn't mentioned anywhere in the reference given. I'd just toss in a liner notes reference after his name.

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

A couple of sources are misplaced throughout the article, but I fixed this as I read along. No biggie.

• Thank you so much for the review! I'm also excited to have a chance to work with you. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 10:36, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

Absolutely! I'm glad to be able to work with a veteran like yourself! Locust member (talk) 13:13, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

• Copyvio (earwig): Has the NME review flagged...just barely. I would just paraphrase maybe one or two quotes from this article and you'll be good there.

Y MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 16:50, 28 November 2024 (UTC)

I missed this (somehow) but it looks like Metacritic is in the red. From what I've seen, both Metacritic and ADM are usually fine within the yellow range since it's just transcribing quotes, but I would paraphrase some quotes in the Critical reception section. Locust member (talk) 03:34, 30 November 2024 (UTC)

Y. Do keep in mind that metacritic is a site aggregator and the copyvio also takes into account the album name, which is said in the entire article. However, let me know your thoughts. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:52, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Yep, I like the way it is now. Good work! Locust member (talk) 17:14, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• In the Release and promotion section, I believe that the sourcing of a Tweet is valid in this case. It's not a exceptional claim and it directly involves the source; which makes it valid as a source per WP:TWITTER.

• ...leading it to became the biggest sales week for an R&B album on vinyl... — not addressed in the source

It is on the source "Further, An Evening With Silk Sonic scores the largest sales week for an R&B album on vinyl since Luminate began tracking sales in 1991. The previous biggest week for an R&B set on wax was earned by the vinyl debut of The Weeknd’s Dawn FM". MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 15:41, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Ah, I see. This is mentioned twice in the article, the first one (which I was referencing) didn't have the right source attached to it. Since the point is addressed in the Commercial performance section (more appropriate section for it) I just removed it from the Release and promotion section. Locust member (talk) 17:21, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

Spot check:

Numbers based on this version

• 7: Y
• 19: Y
• 21: Y
• 66: Y
• 121: Y

I think the Walmart source is fine? It's just about an exclusive vinyl which is verifiable.

It is just for the release date and exclusive stuff. MarioSoulTruthFan (talk) 13:54, 2 December 2024 (UTC)

Broad in its coverage

Focuses on major aspects and gives in-depth knowledge on the topic, looks good.

Neutral point of view

Absolutely is neutral, looks good.

Stable

Not too many edits on a day to day basis, looks good.

Images

Artwork has non free use rationale and has a suitable caption. The audio sample is relevant, looks good.

I'm very happy to add another Bruno Mars Good Article to your canon. Nicely done! Locust member (talk) 17:26, 3 December 2024 (UTC)