Talk:Alutiiq

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i've got to do some research on these people and their language.

Gringo300 02:15, 18 November 2005 (UTC)

Difference between the Alutiiq people & the Alutiiq language

Should there be separate articles for Alutiiq the people & Alutiiq the language? --Yksin 20:50, 14 March 2007 (UTC)

Yes, please do the split, even if either one is only the barest of stubs; there are separate categories, etc. that each would belong to and it's a standard in {{NorthAmNative}} (the indigenous people's Wikiproject).Skookum1 (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Koniag/Koniaga

I'm not familiar enoguh with the Alutiiq to know if the Koniag are a separate group or a subgroup; they figure in many articles concerning Russian America, including Juvenaly of Alaska. Can someone please clarify this?Skookum1 (talk) 20:13, 2 January 2009 (UTC)

Yupik?

I understand that this reference may be cited somehow but it should be know that Alutiiq people do not consider themselves neither Aleut nor Yupik and although they (we) share some similarities with them, we are different. It is troublesome when dealing with such an unknown group of people because there are many usually creditable resources that incorrectly record information about us.

(Alchier (talk) 06:36, 28 December 2009 (UTC))

Move discussion in progress

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Requested move

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The result of the proposal was moved. --BDD (talk) 22:36, 8 April 2014 (UTC)

Alutiiq people → Alutiiq – target is redirect to current title created by Kwami on Jun 28, 2011 contrary to WP:UNDAB Skookum1 (talk) 05:59, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Oppose until the issue is addressed properly. These should be discussed at a centralized location.

There was a discussion once on whether the ethnicity should have precedence for the name, and it was decided it shouldn't. That could be revisited. But it really should be one discussion on the principle, not thousands of separate discussions at every ethnicity in the world over whether it should be at "X", "Xs", or "X people". — kwami (talk) 12:39, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support per nom. An identified people should be the primary topic of a term absent something remarkable standing in the way. bd2412 T 02:28, 22 March 2014 (UTC)

• Support as per the policy Wikipedia:Article titles#Use commonly recognizable names and the guideline Wikipedia:Naming conventions (ethnicities and tribes). The section Wikipedia:Article titles#Precision also applies given that Alutiiq is a redirect here. There is no need to redo any guideline as it already supports the un-disabiguated title. CambridgeBayWeather (talk) 03:35, 22 March 2014 (UTC)
• Support per CambridgeBayWeather. In cases where the requested move simply eliminates the word "people", and the destination title is already a simple redirect to the current title, it is clear that guidelines favoring both precision and conciseness support the move. Xoloz (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2014 (UTC)

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Disagreement

This is fundamentally flawed. The term "Alutiiq" was coined recently by a professional linguist, Jeff Lear, visiting Alaska under questionable social theorism. There is a primitive belief that Koniaqs are an admixture of Yupiks living southerly. This is forensicly false. The DNA of Aleuts and Yupiks are completely, physically transposed. The term was presented to the Kodiak population who were easily persuaded to adopt the identifier thus creating the current fiction and embroidery of facts. Aleuts are genetically one and the same. It would be scientific to replace the contemporary term "Alutiiq" with "Aleut" to be less confusing and be more authentic or authentiiq. — Preceding unsigned comment added by G Aleution (talk • contribs) 18:47, 2021 June 5 (UTC)

G Aleution are you referring to the Jeff Lear listed, 3rd down, on this page? It would seemthat he is from Juneau, Alaska. Is there another one? Also are you saying that Alutiiq peoples are the same as the Aleut peoples? You will need to bring some sources that show there is only the one group. Also be careful about what you say. We have Wikipedia:Biographies of living persons that govern what you can say about people without sources. CambridgeBayWeather, Uqaqtuq (talk), Huliva 22:39, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

I don't see anywhere that this article argues that the distinction is genetic, which makes sense because that's just not how this works. I'm quite certain the Sugpiaq people do not consider themselves Aleuts. Beeblebrox (talk) 00:28, 6 June 2021 (UTC)