Talk:Alberto Cutié

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I removed the following sentence because it's untrue and unsourced; "On May 11, 2009 Alberto Cutie was ex-comulgated for his actions, by order of His Holiness Pope Benedict XVI." ElCapitanAmerica (talk) 21:57, 12 May 2009 (UTC)

Somebody put a bunch of quotes from the latest interview, I'm tempted to remove these because there's no need to pepper the article with so many quotes. This entry needs a lot of work, and also sections (including one on the scandal). ElCapitanAmerica (talk) 00:40, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

I've done some cleanup; more is probably needed. The only reason to keep the large number of quotes (and I'm not necessarily a strong proponent of that) is that the original is in Spanish, making it inaccessible to most readers of this English version of Wikipedia. -- John Broughton (♫♫) 17:34, 15 May 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the cleanup, as for the quotes, Father Alberto did an interview in English a few days after Univision. Perhaps the transcript from that one can be linked. The weird thing about the quotes is the selection of them too, so it just doesn't seem like a good idea for this entry.

The tone of the Spanish language interview was significantly different from the tone of the English language interview —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.224.200.62 (talk) 04:51, 21 May 2009 (UTC)

Article is also missing Father Cutie's long media history, so perhaps that should be something that needs to be filled out soon. ElCapitanAmerica (talk) 02:43, 17 May 2009 (UTC)

TV y Notas

I believe the name of the periodical in the article (as of this moment) is misspelled as "TVnotas" instead of "TV y Notas", however I cannot find a valid link (in English or Spanish) to eliminate the red link. Anyone?--CheMechanical (talk) 06:14, 13 May 2009 (UTC)

The publication is called "TVnotas", at least their logo looks like that http://www.flickr.com/photos/paginafea/3506874887/ ElCapitanAmerica (talk) 00:38, 14 May 2009 (UTC)

That Flickr page is no longer accurate. This guy isn't a reliable source but he doesn't manipulate photos: http://www.dlisted.com/node/31950 - at least you can see the cover of the article there. --NellieBly (talk) 00:29, 31 December 2009 (UTC)

Laicization

I think one of the media stories about Cutié suggested that it was possible that he be stripped of his clerical status by his original Catholic bishop in Miami, a procedure that is called laicization. The reason for this is that the Catholic Church does not recognize Episcopal ministers as having been validly ordained because of a perceived lack of apostolic succession and sacrificial priesthood, a view that is explained in Leo XIII's encyclical Apostolicae Curae. Episcopal ministers and bishops are essentially perceived to be laypeople just like other lay Catholics.

Also, Pope Benedict XVI has recently made canonical reforms that would make it much easier for the Congregations of the Roman Curia to laicize priests that have either abandoned the ministry or that are living in canonically illicit marital situations. For instance, the ministers of the organization Married Priests Now! have recently been threatened with laicization by Catholic leaders in Africa because of the new canonical norms.

ADM (talk) 00:55, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I searched for the story just now but couldn't find it. If you're in Miami (or any other editor is in Miami), finding a copy of the story would be useful. Of course, his laicization wouldn't mean much to the Anglicans/Episcopalians, since he's now no longer a Catholic, but still if it's verifiable it probably belongs here, since it would be notable. Then again, they might have decided against laicization specifically because he converted to Episcopalianism, as he'd no longer be a member of the Roman Catholic faith. I do know that the Catholic Church treats priests who abandon the ministry and remain Catholic very differently than those who merely convert. --NellieBly (talk) 23:52, 30 December 2009 (UTC)

I added this section [1] per this discussion. I hope it helps! NancyHeise ^talk 20:31, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Bishops do not have the authority to laicize. The Bishop of Miami removed his faculties to function as a priest. Laicization is a permanent return to the lay (as opposed to the clerical) state. Only the Pope can authorize a laicization. Currently, if Cutie were to renounce the Episcopal Church and leave the wife, he could potentially return to the RC Church because he was NEVER publicly laicized. I would encourage folks to research laicization prior to making grand pronouncements about how it works.

67.255.115.56 (talk) 15:58, 4 March 2012 (UTC)

Source for possible article expansion

Cutie is discussed in America Magazine here [2]. I think it is a great article discussing scientific research into priests who left the Catholic Church and why. Someone might want to use this to expand this article since Cutie is mentioned more than once. The scientist suggests that he did not leave for theological reasons but because he could not reconcile his love with celibacy. I think dioceses could help their priests by focusing on this aspect of the priesthood and help them learn how to love people and express it in prayer. Perhaps the same lesson could apply to laywomen as well. NancyHeise ^talk 21:24, 15 February 2010 (UTC)

Comments about Alberto's return to the Catholic Church as a deacon are misleading. A priest may not go backwards into a deacon. And once the promise of celibacy has been made, a priest may not marry and return to being a married deacon. This is impossible. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.75.44.181 (talk) 23:08, 8 April 2010 (UTC)

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