Talk:Adamson Soaring Falcons, Lady Falcons, Baby Falcons and Lady Baby Falcons

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Team rosters

Latest comment: 5 years ago1 comment1 person in discussion

I've removed the team rosters from the article as explained in this edit summary and this edit summary. This is a general article about all of the university's athletic teams so there should never be too much focus placed on one or two teams which loses sight of that. While it's appropriate to include some content about each of the school's teams, individual rosters and other excessively detailed information is more suited for individual team or individual season articles than it is for a more general article such as this. Not only will such information likely become outdated as one season changes to another, there are also WP:Namechecking, WP:NOTEVERYTHING, WP:NOTDIRECTORY and WP:BLPSOURCES issues that may come into play. This article is not a team guidebook or yearbook for the school's athletic teams and content which is properly sourced and summarizes the teams and their accomplishments is fine, but too much detail is unnecessary. -- Marchjuly (talk) 04:32, 17 December 2019 (UTC)Reply

Requested move 16 November 2024

Latest comment: 19 days ago13 comments4 people in discussion

The following is a closed discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. Editors desiring to contest the closing decision should consider a move review after discussing it on the closer's talk page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

The result of the move request was: Withdrawn. Both participants are willing to proceed in the form of a new RM including additional articles. In passing I'll also say that it was ok to modify the proposal, as Howard the Duck unsuccessfully attempted, and I regret that that the attempt was removed and not tried again, rather than fixed. But anyway, here we are, just trying to move forward, and this is as good of a way as any. (closed by non-admin page mover) Adumbrativus (talk) 23:22, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

– The whole thing is contrary to WP:CONCISE. When the whole school program/varsity team is referred to as a whole collective including all genders and age group, journalists usually use the university name or the "senior men's" team name by default. ("The Tigers clinched the overall UAAP championships", the "Green Archers are the current host of Season 99") I get the sentiment of being inclusive but if reliable sources find it sufficient to use the senior men's team by default then Wikipedia should follow suit. Besides we have WP:CONCISE. Hariboneagle927 (talk) 04:09, 16 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Reading Beans, Duke of Rivia 06:14, 23 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oppose until NCAA teams are included; no objection once included. This was indeed originally found at "Adamson Soaring Falcons". Bagoto moved to be inclusive with women's teams, as per USA WP:CBBALL (I guess?) naming convention where varsity teams that have the a different name for women's teams, will have the women's nickname on the article title. An example is Kentucky State Thorobreds and Thorobrettes (compare to Kentucky Wildcats where both men's and women's teams are the Wildcats, unlike the Philippines where they may be called the "Lady Wildcats"). However, Bagoto either ignored or oblivious to the fact that varsity team articles in the Philippines encompass both college and high school teams, so following Bagoto's train of thought, I moved this to wherever the articles are now. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:56, 16 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

How do we formally add Philippine NCAA teams? Or we could just procedurally move the NCAA teams depending on the consensus here. I cannot see any specific naming guidelines on WP:CBBALL. In my opinion, we do not have to follow the possibly only other country (US) where college sports has big importance. Cause as I emphasize, that using the default (without the Lady, Junior, etc) moniker is perfectly acceptable to refer to the whole athletic programs of Philippine university programs. The UST Growling Tigers can refer to just the (men's) basketball team, any of the men's team, or the whole sports program (including the women's and juniors). Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:37, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

You'd have to add some templates as per WP:RM. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:32, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Additional pages (UAAP)

UST Growling Tigers, Tigresses, Tiger Cubs and Tigress Cubs → UST Growling Tigers

Additional pages (NCAA)

For reference Ateneo Blue Eagles and UP Fighting Maroons does not need moving since they have adopted the same moniker (without the gender and age modifier) across all sports. Any feminine and junior nicknames can still be mentioned in prose, the infobox, and appropriate tables.

I do not know how to formally add these articles in the move request, but im listing it all here nevertheless.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 05:48, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I tried adding it but it didn't work. Howard the Duck (talk) 23:58, 17 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

It seems that you'd have to start anew. I have the written the code above if needed. It's only the two of us here yet, so there should be no arguments no one was informed that parameters have changed. Howard the Duck (talk) 00:01, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Nuke this proposal. We won't get help even from other people (LOL). Howard the Duck (talk) 02:02, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

This may not be even controversial to begin with. Your oppose was just because I didn't include the other teams. I should have just moved these unilaterally to begin with. Then open an RM if it does get challenged.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 10:09, 22 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

I would not have opposed a unilateral move, but since Bagoto has originally moved these, I suppose an WP:RM should have settled what the actual WP:AT titles are. My procedural oppose still applies, and I would want a new RM with all affected articles included. College sports is not just the UAAP. Howard the Duck (talk) 21:08, 26 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Could an admin please close this already. I'm withdrawing this and refiling to properly include the others.Hariboneagle927 (talk) 06:24, 30 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

Removed proposals

|current7=UST Growling Tigers|new7=UST Growling Tigers, Tigresses, Tiger Cubs and Tigress Cubs
|current8=Arellano Chiefs|new8=Arellano Chiefs, Lady Chiefs and Braves
|current0=Letran Knights|new9=Letran Knights, Lady Knights and Squires
|current10=Benilde Blazers|new10=Benilde Blazers and Lady Blazers
|current11=EAC Generals|new11=EAC Generals, Lady Generals and Brigadiers
|current12=JRU Heavy Bombers|new12=JRU Heavy Bombers, Lady Bombers and Light Bombers
|current13=Lyceum Pirates|new13=Lyceum Pirates, Lady Pirates and Junior Pirates
|current14=San Beda Red Lions|new14=San Beda Red Lions, Red Lionesses and Red Cubs
|current15=San Sebastian Stags|new15=San Sebastian Stags, Lady Stags and Staglets
|current16=Perpetual Altas|new16=Perpetual Altas, Lady Altas and Junior Altas

It appears that these proposals are in reverse format compared with the ones in this move request. In addition, the first of these proposals is a redirect, which is ineligible to be a current title in a move request. P.I. Ellsworth , ed. ^{put'er there} 01:40, 18 November 2024 (UTC)Reply

The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

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