Talk:Ad hominem
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The result was: promoted by Cwmhiraeth (talk) 06:36, 11 May 2020 (UTC)
- ... that Aristotle was the first philosopher who studied ad homimen arguments in his work Sophistical Refutations? Source: The first philosopher to draw attention to the ad hominem is John Locke (1632–1704), although he does not claim to have invented the term, and Hamblin2 attributes the idea, if not the title, to Aristotle. Here, not surprisingly, it arises in the context of dialogues. In the Sophistical Refutations (177b33), Aristotle writes with reference to an example, “this solution will not suit every argument . . . but is directed against the questioner, not against the argument.” This is in fact closer to the modern sense than what Locke subsequently introduced, since it clearly identifies the problem as a shift from a person’s argument to the person. Tindale 2007
- ALT1 ... that ad hominem fallacies are considered uncivil? Source: "Don’t deride or attack other debaters. This is a mistake that even has its own name: the ad hominem (“to the man”) fallacy (see Appendix I). You don’t have to like the people you are debating with, let alone agree with them. You may have trouble even taking them seriously—and likely they will return the (dis)favor. You can still have some courtesy. So can they. In a way, such occasions are what civility is for." A Rulebook for Arguments By Anthony Weston Cinadon36 09:20, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
- Passed GA nomination by Cinadon36. Self-nominated.
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Overall: Very interesting Good Article about Rhetoric, which I enjoyed reading. The article is new and long enough, is neutral, Earwig could not detect any plagiarism, both hooks are well cited and interesting (I prefer the first one, but both are ok). The article has no picture, and QPQ is not due, since the author was until now the author of only a DYK. There are only two small issues: a missing citation in one paragraph (I put a citation needed there), and then the lead, which I think should have a short paragraph summarizing the history of the argument. Alex2006 (talk) 17:25, 29 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks for your nice words Alex2006. I 've added a source and changed the text.[1]. Is it ok? Cinadon36 09:45, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, @Cinadon36: almost done :-) The first issue is solved: now you should just add to the lead a short paragraph (2 - 3 sentences) where you summarize the "History" section. The reason for that is that the lead should outline the article's content, but right now the introduction lacks any hint about the history of the concept. Thanks! Alex2006 (talk) 14:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry for the long delay Alessandro57 You are certainly right, is this fix adequate? Cinadon36 07:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- This is perfect, Cinadon36, good to go! Alex2006 (talk) 10:22, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Sorry for the long delay Alessandro57 You are certainly right, is this fix adequate? Cinadon36 07:53, 8 May 2020 (UTC)
- Thanks a lot, @Cinadon36: almost done :-) The first issue is solved: now you should just add to the lead a short paragraph (2 - 3 sentences) where you summarize the "History" section. The reason for that is that the lead should outline the article's content, but right now the introduction lacks any hint about the history of the concept. Thanks! Alex2006 (talk) 14:04, 30 April 2020 (UTC)
Fallacies are normative
editYou can't say it's fallacious without qualifiers. Formal fallacies are based in whichever formal logic axioms you choose. What is a formal fallacy in classical logic may not be in intuitionist logic or even fuzzy logic. Informal fallacies are defined as outside the form which is even more normative, even subjective. They tend to be aesthetic preferences. Clearly some ad homs aren't fallacious and give more context or insight to the points. Courts use character determinations and we certainly talk about people in their historical context or any others. The article should clarify these distinctions. 1.220.224.228 (talk) 12:36, 31 July 2024 (UTC)