Talk:Abgaal

Abgaal is estimated to 5-6 million

Discussion on split

This has been requested to be split for a while, but there is no talk or consensus, could the main editors (or others) please comment on weather they support this or not. --MWOAP (talk) 01:28, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Basically, "Abgaal" is about a Somali clan. The "Yaquub Sultanate" section is about a sultanate, and in my opinion belongs in a separate article. I'm happy to do it, just figured I would tag it first. Obviously no one else has had anything to say about it, and then it dropped from my own radar. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 01:37, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Ok, if you want to go for it because you are an admin. I don't have the privileges to remove the disambiguation page. If you want I can take care of it, but it would take more time. I do support this action. Sorry for the wait on the reply. --MWOAP (talk) 23:54, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Which disambig page is that? -- Gyrofrog (talk) 22:24, 17 December 2009 (UTC)

Yaquub Sultanate copypaste

A large portion of text was pasted into the "Yaquub Sulatanate" section. It quotes Cerulli so I assume this is the same source already given in the "References" section. However, these quotations are, I think, too lengthy to simply paste in to the article. Instead of quoting such a large quantity of text, we should re-write it. I've also noticed that the same portion of text exists on other websites (blogs, message boards etc.) (e.g. this Google search). This needs to come straight from the Cerulli source (and be verified as such) if we are to properly attribute it. I have reverted the entire edit, as the rest of the text lacked any attribution. Thanks, -- Gyrofrog (talk) 14:24, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

The "Abgaal Folklores" section has the same problem (i.e. quoting a source at length, such that it becomes more of a copyvio than a quotation) and I have removed it, as well. The Cerulli source is given as "Enrico, Cerulli, How a Hawiye tribe used to live, Chapter 4, scritti vari editi ed inediti, Vol. 2, edited by Enrico Cerulli, Roma". I'm not sure which portion of this, if any, is the book title; furthermore it appears to be an Italian language source and it would be preferable to know who translated this. On a related note, the "Poetry" section didn't actually cite any sources, just numbers (21 and 22). It wasn't clear if these referred to one of the existing references; I have replaced the incomplete citations with {{Fact}} tags. -- Gyrofrog (talk) 15:42, 14 April 2010 (UTC)

Greetings,

I have seen your feedback. But I own www.newbanadir.org and so I don't see why it should create any problems. I will try to rewrite it, but I think I have done as best as I can to summarize it already. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Evolvingprimate (talk • contribs) 11:10, 16 April 2010 (UTC)

• • MUDULOOD
• Ciise mudulood
• cismaan mudulood
• hilibo mudulood
  • cismaan mudulood
• abgaal cismaan
• moobleen cismaan
• wacdaan cismaan

• • Abgaal cismaan
• Harti abgaal
• Wacbuudhan abgaal
• Warculus abgaal

• • Harti abgaal
• suul harti
• warsangali harti
• ciise harti

• • Wacbuudhan abgaal
• Galmaax yoonis
• Xuseen Yoonis — Preceding unsigned comment added by Caliyare1900 (talk • contribs) 11:34, 11 September 2022 (UTC)
• daa,uud
• kabaale

• • Warculus abgaal
• caligaaf
• macalin dhiblaawe
• cabdiraxmaan — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.148.242.141 (talk) 22:26, 24 April 2012 (UTC)

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"Clan tree" a mess

This isn't helpful for the reader and difficult to maintain accuracy with the photo from the reference. I would suggest either an actual image showing the tree or some kind of table. Ifnord (talk) 20:43, 14 September 2021 (UTC)

Wax ka saxit

Ku daria waceysle Caligaaf Ahmed Mohamed Ali24 (talk) 03:26, 30 January 2022 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 7 March 2023

SaaidFaisalAbdule (talk) 18:29, 7 March 2023 (UTC)
As mentioned before, the Abgal clan belongs to the Hiraab clan that has spread from the north across central Somalia. A frequently cited reason for this migration is the jihads of Ahmed Ghazi. In doing so, they came under Ajuran rule. After Darandoolle, which is a mythical name of the ancestor of Abgaal, they rebelled against the Ajurans in the late 16th century, they killed the Ajuran Imam. This made them move south from their province of Mareeg to drive out the now weakened Ajurans and take their place as chiefs of the south.  After they rebelled, the other Hiraab clans like Habar Gidir and Duduble also started resisting to join the Abgaal. Once the Abgaal arrived in the richest province of the Ajurans namely the Benadir.The major city Merca was conquered by an individual leader named El Amir. He was expelled after 40 years by newcomers from the Shebelle River namely the Bimaal who are still the majority in Merca today. The Abgal clan then came to the largest and richest city of the Somalis. Mogadishu, this city was under the leadership of the Muzaffarids who were Arabized Somalis who were a vassal of the Ajurans. Through their contacts across the Arab world, they were allowed to run the city in the name of the Ajuran Imam as long as the latter sent tax and a number of Islamic scholars to the various clans among the Ajurans.  The story goes once arriving in Mogadishu, the different Abgaal clans teamed up with the Muzaffarids to take up the system of trade with an Abgal Imam taking the place of the Ajuran Imam. This Abgal Imam named Omar came from the Abgaal Harti Abubakr, and shortly thereafter Abgaal names begin to appear in the previously Arab and Persian dominated genenalogies of the towns leading families. The family members of the Abgal Imam also then began to marry the Ba Fadel and the Abdi Semed. Well-known Arab trading families. After a brief period of peace, the last Muzaffarid sultan was assassinated by the Abgaal and the Abgal imam seized total power as the city's leader. Subsequently, the other Hiraab clans were also headed by the Abgal imam. Not only the Hiraab clans were now under Abgal leadership. Other clans such as Xawaadle had to pay taxes in exchange for protection and trade. The rule of the Abgal clan is a golden age for the Hiraab clans who were now allowed to trade freely and built their own trading posts that grew into smaller cities such as Warsheikh and Hobyo. Hobyo was led by the Habar Gidir who were later conquered by the well-known Yusuf Ali Kenadid at a time when the power of the Abgal Imam was weakened by the powerful Geledis in the south and the migrating darood from the north. The residents of Mogadishu known as Reer Xamar. Were suppressed by the Abgaal clan since the conquest of Mogadishu. This is also evident in the text from the history of Mogadishu reproduced below.

In the annals of the Benaadir, the three hundred years from 1500-1800 is viewed as a dark time of troubles. From the Benaadiri perspective it was also a time that was survived only through the piety of a few individuals whose spiritual strength preserved the social fabric in the face of tyranny and agression. This is especially true in the traditions of Mogadishu where such evils were held in check only through the efforts of righteous individuals. By the late nineteenth century, as we shall see, the Abgal of Shangani had become productive citizens. Oral traditions contend, however, that this was not always the case. During the first years of pastoral occupation, Abgal rule was characterized by innumerable injustices. The practise of forcing all new brides in the town to spend the first seven days of marriage in bed, The good Muslims of Mogadishu were outaged by such evil but were too oppressed to resist. One pious man named Abu Ahmad Ala’ al-Din decided to take action. The father of the seven daughters, he swore an oath not to allow any of them to submit to such immoral humiliation. Instead, when he married off the first of his offspring, he and his daughter plotted to foil the lecherous Imam. Abu Ahmad and his daughter let it be known publicly that she had been wed. When news of the union reached the Abgal Imam, he sent a slave to the house demanding the ruler’s rights. Instead, Abu Ahmad beat the slave and sent him back to his master. Incensed, the Imam decided to go to the recalcitrant father’s house personally to punish him and take the bride to his bed. When he entered the house, however, Abu Ahmad and his kinsmen ambushed the ruler and killed him. This sparked a spontaneous uprising and the Abgal were expelled from the city. Abu Ahmad then gathered the elders of the town and instructed them to build a wall so that the pastoralists might never again settle in the town unimpended. While the Abgal were eventually allowed to return and even regained much of their political power, so the story continues, they never again attempted to terrorize the townspeople or act in ways contrary to the laws of God. *

• Interview, Amina Shaykh Ali Nuur, Octover 6, 1994. As Cassanelli has pointed out, this is a common trope in the oral lore of the Benaadir. The fall of the Ajuran 300 years earlier is attributed to a similar display of royal hubris. Cassanelli, Shaping of Somali soceity, pp.109-112.

Both books and pages are on Google Books. The Abgal people deserve to know their history and why their clan today is still so powerful within clan politics of Somalia

References

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Population Estimates

At present, there is no precise population data encompassing the entirety of Somalia, let alone any definitive demographic figures for specific Somali clans. The population figure referenced in the article currently is unfeasible and lacks proper citation. I would advised that population estimates not be mentioned due to the absence of verifiable sources, unless they can be substantiated. @Zfeo Solanif (talk) 14:32, 3 August 2024 (UTC)

@Zfeo I've asked twice that you please discuss this matter. I'm going to go ahead and make the change I've described above. If you revert without responding here, then I'm going to have to file a complaint against you at ANI for disruptive editing by reverting without discussing. Solanif (talk) 16:02, 17 August 2024 (UTC)

Buuqa iga dhaaf langaabyahow Zfeo (talk) 22:47, 17 August 2024 (UTC)