Talk:Abdul Nacer Benbrika
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editHe is an Australian citizen and Australia uses the Roman alphabet. Adam 11:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- I know this. But he was born in Algeria. The template clearly states: "This article is about a person, place, or concept whose name is originally rendered in the Arabic script; however the article does not have that version of its name in the article's lead paragraph. Anyone who is knowledgeable enough with the original language is invited to assist in adding the Arabic script."--Steven X 11:44, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- What the template says is irrelevant. When people become Australian citizens, the Roman script version of their name becomes their official and correct name. Adam 12:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
- Then I dare you to remove all the Arabic script from Arabs (and others) in countries that do not use Arabic script , because that is a lot a Arabic script.--Steven X 01:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Steven X. Names that are originally in Arabic often times have different transliterations (or romanizations). Using the original Arabic lettering scheme allows for those differences to be mitigated by those who can understand the Arabic language. Pepsidrinka 02:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- What happens in other countries, or at other articles, is not my concern. His name now is Abdul Nacer Benbrika. What his name was in Algeria, or how it might be spelled in other languages, is immaterial. He is now an Australian, and Australian names are written in the Roman alphabet. Just as if I became an Algerian citizen, the Arabic script version of my name would be my name. Adam 02:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- That is irrelevent because (providing you are notable) an English Wikipedia article about you has to be in writen in English regardless of what you are now calling yourself. And i'm pretty sure the Arabic Wikipedia would include the Romanization of your name too providing they knew it. It's the Wikipedian way.--Steven X 04:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know if the Arabic Wikipedia does in fact provide the romanization of English names, but really, that doesn't matter. The consensus on the English Wikipedia is to provide the Arabic script for names that are Arabic, regardless of the persons official citizenship and/or nationality. Pepsidrinka 04:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Benbrika is not "Arabic". He is Australian. Adam 07:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- If Abdul's arabic name is not significant because he's now an Aussie, would similar logic say that Cat Steven's birth name not be mentioned, or that David Hicks should only be referred to as Abu Muslim al-Austraili or Mohammed Dawood? Andjam 02:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- You make good points Andjam.--Steven X 11:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- To Adam Carr: Abdul Nacer Benbrika is an Arab born into the Arab World which speaks Arabic. His citizenship is not important as Wikipedia is a not a politically motivated orginization (BTW: this article even says something about Abdul Nacer Benbrika retaining his Algerian citizenship).--Steven X 11:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- Neither analogy is relevant. Cat Stevens changed his name, not his nationality. David Hicks is an Autralian citizen. If he has changed his name to Abu Muslim al-Austraili he should be called that, in the Roman alphabet. Adam 11:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- None of this matters anymore since the name has already been transliterated.--Steven X 07:21, 26 May 2006 (UTC)
- Neither analogy is relevant. Cat Stevens changed his name, not his nationality. David Hicks is an Autralian citizen. If he has changed his name to Abu Muslim al-Austraili he should be called that, in the Roman alphabet. Adam 11:51, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- To Adam Carr: Abdul Nacer Benbrika is an Arab born into the Arab World which speaks Arabic. His citizenship is not important as Wikipedia is a not a politically motivated orginization (BTW: this article even says something about Abdul Nacer Benbrika retaining his Algerian citizenship).--Steven X 11:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- You make good points Andjam.--Steven X 11:38, 27 February 2006 (UTC)
- If Abdul's arabic name is not significant because he's now an Aussie, would similar logic say that Cat Steven's birth name not be mentioned, or that David Hicks should only be referred to as Abu Muslim al-Austraili or Mohammed Dawood? Andjam 02:25, 24 February 2006 (UTC)
- Benbrika is not "Arabic". He is Australian. Adam 07:11, 23 February 2006 (UTC)
- I don't know if the Arabic Wikipedia does in fact provide the romanization of English names, but really, that doesn't matter. The consensus on the English Wikipedia is to provide the Arabic script for names that are Arabic, regardless of the persons official citizenship and/or nationality. Pepsidrinka 04:10, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- That is irrelevent because (providing you are notable) an English Wikipedia article about you has to be in writen in English regardless of what you are now calling yourself. And i'm pretty sure the Arabic Wikipedia would include the Romanization of your name too providing they knew it. It's the Wikipedian way.--Steven X 04:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- What happens in other countries, or at other articles, is not my concern. His name now is Abdul Nacer Benbrika. What his name was in Algeria, or how it might be spelled in other languages, is immaterial. He is now an Australian, and Australian names are written in the Roman alphabet. Just as if I became an Algerian citizen, the Arabic script version of my name would be my name. Adam 02:41, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- I agree with Steven X. Names that are originally in Arabic often times have different transliterations (or romanizations). Using the original Arabic lettering scheme allows for those differences to be mitigated by those who can understand the Arabic language. Pepsidrinka 02:30, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- Then I dare you to remove all the Arabic script from Arabs (and others) in countries that do not use Arabic script , because that is a lot a Arabic script.--Steven X 01:07, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
- What the template says is irrelevant. When people become Australian citizens, the Roman script version of their name becomes their official and correct name. Adam 12:16, 19 February 2006 (UTC)
How do you pronounce the C in "Nacer"?
editS/K/TSH/SH/WHAT?--Steven X 05:13, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
I presume it's an alternative spelling of Nasser. Adam 09:19, 27 May 2006 (UTC)
- Well, when we know for sure--We should add the guys name in the International Phonetic Alphabet to avoid unambiguality.--Steven X 06:00, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
- The pronunciation is with a single 's'. KazakhPol 17:37, 17 April 2007 (UTC)
Please do not remove the Arabic script
editSee: Joseph Stalin. His name is rendered in its original Georgian alphabet... and well as Cyrillic and Latin.--Steven X 06:08, 28 May 2006 (UTC)
Potential source
editA person mentioned on this page, Ezzit Raad, arrested with Benbrika on terrorism charges in November 2015, has been reported as killed "... fighting for Islamic State in Syria."
- Dan Oakes and Suzanne Dredge (6 September 2016) "Australian jihadi convicted over Melbourne terror plot reportedly killed fighting for Islamic State", ABC News. abc.net.au