Talk:A Question of Europe

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 21:45, 13 June 2020 (UTC)

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• ... that former prime minister Edward Heath debated A Question of Europe at the Oxford Union in 1975? "an Oxford Union debate ended with a resounding vote for Europe - 493 to 92 ... Mr Peter Shore and Mrs Barbara Castle were on the anti-market side. Mr Edward Heath and Mr Jeremy Thorpe on the pro-Market side." from "The Market Debate Hots Up". Aberdeen Evening Express. No. Page 3. 4 June 1975.
  • ALT1:... that future government minister Alistair Burt attended the A Question of Europe debate dressed in a beret and striped shirt and carrying a string of onions? "One pro-European supporter caught the eye both in the chamber and on television by turning up bedecked in a hooped shirt, black beret and string of onions. His name was Alistair Burt and he later served as an excellent Minister for the Disabled in John Major's administration" from: Heath, Edward (2011). The Course of My Life: My Autobiography. A&C Black. p. 530. ISBN 978-1-4482-0466-3.
  • ALT2:... that Barbara Castle regarded her performance at the A Question of Europe debate as "a flop"?"I knew I had been a flop" from: Winstone, Ruth (2012). Events, Dear Boy, Events: A Political Diary of Britain 1921-2010. Profile Books. p. 374. ISBN 978-1-84765-463-2.

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Charles Kelman

Moved to mainspace by Dumelow (talk). Self-nominated at 15:41, 21 May 2020 (UTC).

• New enough (to mainspace today), long enough (8028 chars), neutral, cites sources (AGF on offline sources), passes Earwig and eye tests for plagiarism. ALT1 is the most interesting hook (AGF on the source), and is short enough and cited. The other two I've struck as comparatively not interesting to a broad audience, but would suffice should ALT1 be struck for an unfroseen reason. ALT2 is preferred over ALT0. QPQ is present. No image. The Squirrel Conspiracy (talk) 01:01, 22 May 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

This review is transcluded from Talk:A Question of Europe/GA1. The edit link for this section can be used to add comments to the review.

Reviewer: Some Dude From North Carolina (talk · contribs) 12:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey, I'm going to be reviewing this article. Expect comments by the end of the week. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 12:32, 13 March 2021 (UTC)

Lead

• "were asked" → "was asked" (since it's a group)

Think this might be an WP:ENGVAR thing, in British English collective nouns can be singular or plural depending on the context. It's covered a little in our article American_and_British_English_grammatical_differences#Subject-verb_agreement. This one sounds right to me as it is (I am British), though I understand we are inconsistent about how we apply it. I've added a British English tag to the article - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "of European" → "of the European"

Done - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "audience were" → "audience was" (also a group)

As previous on collective nouns - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• Add a comma after "after the debate".

Done - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Background

• Add a comma after "Monetary Union".

Done - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• "dinner dress" → "dinner dresses"

Possibly another British English thing. One wears "dinner dress" (referring to a class of outfits including black tie for men and evening gowns for ladies), not "a dinner dress" - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Debate

• "afterwards" → "afterward"

Another ENGVAR thing, "afterwards" is more common in Britain but has the same meaning as "afterward". See for example the Cambridge or Collins dictionary entries - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Subsequent events

• Couldn't find any issues here.

References and images

• Archive all archivable sources (either manually or with this tool).

Done via the bot (hopefully worked OK, it's the first time I've used it!). Many thanks for letting me know this, it is very useful - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

• A reference (currently #7), has an error with its title.
• There are no issues with the images and they have fair-use rationales.
• Also try linking each website in every citation.

Many thanks for the review Some Dude From North Carolina, much appreciated. Hopefully I've addressed your comments above apart from the referencing. I've since lost access to the newspaper archives that I used when writing this but I've asked if anyone has access to the articles over at the Resource Exchange (Wikipedia:WikiProject_Resource_Exchange/Resource_Request#British_Newspaper_Archive) and then then tidy up the three offline citations - Dumelow (talk) 09:09, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow: Thanks for the comments! There really is a lot of differences between the way we speak and write the same language. Well, it's always better to know. That being said, everything else in the article is in great shape, but the reference after "11:50 pm" is missing a title, and as a result, I'm seeing a "Missing or empty |title= (help)" warning on my screen. Try fixing it, and ping me when you reply. Some Dude From North Carolina (talk) 14:10, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks Some Dude From North Carolina, hopefully I've sorted it now - Dumelow (talk) 16:21, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

Progress

GA review (see here for what the criteria are, and here for what they are not)
It is reasonably well written. a (prose, spelling, and grammar): b (MoS for lead, layout, word choice, fiction, and lists): It is factually accurate and verifiable. a (references): b (citations to reliable sources): c (OR): d (copyvio and plagiarism): It is broad in its coverage. a (major aspects): b (focused): It follows the neutral point of view policy. Fair representation without bias: It is stable. No edit wars, etc.: It is illustrated by images, where possible and appropriate. a (images are tagged and non-free images have fair use rationales): b (appropriate use with suitable captions):
Overall: Pass/Fail:
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French translation

Hello everyone,

I've done the french tanslation from this article and I would like to know if a link to the debate's archive video exists ? By the way, according to this page, the TV show was produced by Philip S. Gilbert and edited by Michael Townson.

Greetings from France. --TaupeGun (talk) 03:57, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

Hi TaupeGun, my French is passable at best but your article looks great to me. Good spot on the editor and producer credits from Radio Times, I'll add those to this article. I see someone has posted the original programme on YouTube here. In watching it, I noticed an error in the article: it was Thorpe, not Heath, that asked if Castle would resign; I've corrected that here but not on the French article - Dumelow (talk) 06:36, 4 May 2021 (UTC)

@Dumelow: It's really nice, thank you very much ! --TaupeGun (talk) 14:07, 4 May 2021 (UTC)