Talk:55 Wall Street

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Name of building

The name is a problem. Calling it National City Bank Building seems wrong, because it hasn't been a bank in years, and because it was not built to be a bank. Calling it "Cipriani Wall Street" is commercial hype, and not what it is notable as. It gets called everyting from the old Merchant's Exchange on Wall Street, to the old U.S. Customs House, to National City Bank Building. But calling it National City Bank building is sticking with an obsolete name.Elan26 (talk)Elan26

Then lets just call it 55 Wall Street and list the aliases in the intro. --ChrisRuvolo (t) 00:30, 6 August 2008 (UTC)

Its main claim to notability is that it's on the National Register of Historic Places. With that in mind, it seems best to use the same name that is used on that national register, which is "National City Bank Building." (On the National Park Service website, I also see that it's referred to as "National City Bank.") External links are here [1] and here [2]. I suggest we keep the article title as is, and list all aliases somewhere in the intro. There ought to be redirect pages for each of the aliases as well. Canadian2006 (talk) 19:31, 16 October 2008 (UTC)

Chester Arthur

Did he work here as chief collector of the New York Customhouse in 1872, prior to his presidency? (Pavelow235 (talk) 04:23, 7 April 2009 (UTC))

Sixteen columns

Am I missing something? I see only twelve. Vzeebjtf (talk) 02:02, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

Fixed. Beyond My Ken (talk) 06:07, 27 April 2013 (UTC)

The dates are inconsistent

One part of the article specifically refers to Herman Melville as a notable person who spent time in 55 Wall Street when it states: "... writer Herman Melville worked as a customs inspector and wrote part of Moby Dick while working there".

The article also states "The United States Custom House moved into the building in 1862..."

But Moby Dick was published in 1851, presumably while 55 Wall Street was still used as The Merchants' Exchange.

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Did you know nomination

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The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 19:08, 9 June 2020 (UTC)

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55 Wall Street

• ... that when the National City Bank of New York moved to 55 Wall Street (pictured) in 1908, messengers used satchels to move the bank's $500 million holdings from its old location across the street? Source: Hudson, P.J. (2017). Bankers and Empire: How Wall Street Colonized the Caribbean. University of Chicago Press. p. 2
  • ALT1:... that the columns for the colonnade of 55 Wall Street (pictured) were pulled by oxen along Wall Street? Source: NYT 1957
  • ALT2:... that in the 1990s, 55 Wall Street (pictured) could not be easily renovated because it was a landmark, so it was used as a filming location instead? Source: NYT 1994
  • ALT3:... that 55 Wall Street (pictured) has contained the New York Stock Exchange, the U.S. Custom House, and Citibank's headquarters at different times? Source: Various in the "History" section

• Reviewed: Template:Did you know nominations/Kabaddi Kabaddi Kabaddi
• Comment: more hooks later

5x expanded by Epicgenius (talk). Self-nominated at 20:59, 22 May 2020 (UTC).

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Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
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QPQ: Done.

Overall: Recently expanded by 5x, QPQ is met, interesting hooks, no glaring grammatical or spelling mistakes, and every sentence has a source. I am torn between ALT0 and ALT3 as both are really interesting. Jon698 talk 4:41 23 May 2020 (UTC)

GA Review

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Reviewer: Hog Farm (talk · contribs) 19:58, 28 May 2020 (UTC)

Criteria

1. Prose  On hold

2. Verifiability  On hold

3. Depth of Coverage ✓ Pass

4. Neutral ✓ Pass

5. Stable ✓ Pass

6. Illustrations ✓ Pass

7. Miscellaneous  On hold

Comments

1.

• Link cruciform to Cruciform#Cruciform architectural plan
  •  Done
• "The original structure, with its dome, was the most[10]" - The most what?
  • Oops. I have fixed it. epicgenius (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• " it is composed of the original three-story building and a four-story addition" - That's an odd way to phrase it, since that only adds up to seven stories
  • That was supposed to be 5 stories, so I fixed it. epicgenius (talk) 16:41, 29 May 2020 (UTC)
• Link Subtreasury at the first mention, not the second
  •  Done
• "Four years later, the New York City Landmarks Preservation Commission designated the building's exterior as one of the city's earliest official landmarks.[" - "the building" can be read as 399 Park instead of 55 Wall, because the previous several sentences are about 399 Park
  •  Fixed

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• NYCL nos. need citations
  •  Fixed
• The years of the listings are cited, but the exact dates are not.
  •  Fixed
• "55 Wall Street: A Working Landmark. Citibank. 1979." - Don't know that linking the URL is any helpful, because it says it is not available online for copyright reasons
  •  Removed
• For ref 1, is there a way to get the URL to the specific page instead of the search page?
  •  Done

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• Both external links are dead
  •  Removed
    • @Hog Farm: Thanks for the review. I have fixed all the issues. epicgenius (talk) 17:57, 29 May 2020 (UTC)

Questions

@Epicgenius: While copy-editing the article I had a few questions:

• Does the "eight stories" include the basement?
• In the "History" section, it says: Among the notable employees of the building during this time was Chester A. Arthur, who was the Collector of the Port of New York in the 1870s and later became U.S. president. Was Arthur based in the building while he was Collector? If not I'd rephrase to Among the notable employees of the building during this time was future president Chester A. Arthur and maybe combine it with the next sentence about Herman Melville. If so, maybe something like Port Collector Chester A. Arthur, who later became U.S. president.
• The "History" section also says in a non-partisan vote in 1905, the House blocked an appropriation but the cited NYT article says the vote was 93 to 77, so I'm not sure whether "non-partisan" came from.
• The same year, Jeffrey Gural, Barry Gosin, and Philip Pilevsky — is there any way to describe these three people, e.g. "real estate developers" or "private investors"?

Rublov (talk) 14:58, 11 January 2022 (UTC)

@Rublov: Thanks for the copy edit and the feedback. In response to these:

1. The eight stories are only the ones above ground.
2. Yes, Arthur was collector when he worked at the building.
3. Non-partisan refers to the party affiliation of the House members; the Democratic minority leader was against the appropriation, but I don't believe the votes were strictly party line. However, it may not be relevant here so I have removed this.
4. I suppose they can be referred to as developers. Epicgenius (talk) 15:09, 11 January 2022 (UTC).