Talk:3:16 game/GA1

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Nominator: Lightburst (talk · contribs)

Reviewer: TonyTheTiger (talk · contribs) 23:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: Thank you for the review! I have no trouble working through the review to satisfy your concerns. I have opted to wait because the article was sent to AfD Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/3:16 game today. Lightburst (talk) 18:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I believe that by responding to this review, you will make the article look and feel more encyclopedic, thus improving the likelihood of AFD survival. I would put some work into the article. They are even helping dig up sources for you. By adding a wider variety of WP:RS you also improve its chances of survival. I have had people withdraw opposition in AFDs merely out of response to article improvement. E.g. see Peter Patton (basketball)'s recent AFD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:56, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

Reviewing-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:01, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

•  Done For starters, if the game is notable, it should have the {{Infobox American football game}} infobox. Look at Super Bowl LVIII, Heidi Game, Music City Miracle to see what this looks like. There is a lot to fill in there if you want this to be WP:GA.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done still a lot of fields need to be completed here. Ratings and HoFers (at least 3) for sure. Probably more. Take a closer look at the template or some of its more elaborate uses. HoFers does not just include players. See Super Bowl XXX.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:04, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
  • According to the 2011 Steelers article there are more HoFers Noll and Rooney at least. I did not click through the rest of the blue links because I did not recognize their names. I did not look at the Broncos article.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:44, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• Further. Please look down the Super Bowl XXX. See the Box score section and the various tables below that.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Thanks. Slowly adding these things. Just found another weird coincidence. Tebow played the 2009 BCS National Championship Game on the 8th, and this playoff game 3 years later on the 8th. Making it 3 years and 8+8. But I do not think it fits as well as the obvious stats and maybe seems like a reach, just like the Steelers last three regular season games margin of loss and victory is 48 pts - so 3 games with an average of 16. Maybe it starts to feel like OR? Lightburst (talk) 19:40, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

margin of victory (Wiktionary) is a real stat not entirely OR. Total calendar dates (8+8) not a real stat, IMO. I would honestly include both team MOVs. I guess the 2nd one is your call, but I'd present it and leave it to the reader to decide if it is a real coincidence.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

The template you need is {{Americanfootballbox}}, also the stats tables at the bottom like Super Bowl XXX are pretty important for this to be examplary.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:32, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

Thoughts on {{Americanfootballbox}}?--TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 05:29, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: I have been holding back a bit to see the outcome of the AfD. At the same time copyediting and adding relevant details about why this particular game is notable. It looks like it may be kept. I also may not be grasping what information is needed for the box. I wonder if you might consider editing it to your preference? Lightburst (talk) 14:21, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

Well don't wait too long, I am about to be topic banned form WP:GAN, I don't know if it will be for both nominations and reviews. However, you can see clearly what you need at Super_Bowl_XXX#Box_score. You need that template in your article. Super Bowl LVIII also uses the full form, Heidi Game uses an abbreviated form.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 21:55, 24 March 2024 (UTC)

@TonyTheTiger: AfD concluded as keep and I added two of the game summary boxes that you recommended. Let me know what you think. Lightburst (talk) 01:12, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

• •  Done Some info is in 2011–12 NFL playoffs, which should be linked in the WP:LEAD.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:17, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done The opening paragraph should not end with the number three hundred sixteen. It should end with "3–1–6, in that order".-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done In addition the opening paragraph should state that in addition, there was an anniversary and subsequent ratings numbers that were coincident, plus the 7th coincidence I mention below.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:26, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done Second there should be a bulleted list of 3–1–6 coincidences (3rd anniversary, passing yards, yards/completion, yards/rush, time of possession, ratings) that the text wraps around.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:11, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  •  Done why not "in that order"? Also after 31:06 what about (31 minutes, 6 seconds as a way to present it without the intervening 0). Also, split total yards and yard/completion into separate lines.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:13, 21 March 2024 (UTC)
• You will want reliable sources. For most major league sports I like to see the official Associated Press story like as a source. here it is.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:21, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
  • Have you incorporated all the WP:RS suggested at the WP:AFD?-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:33, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

  @TonyTheTiger: I did go through and use several that were relevant. Beanie had some very good ones. I also took suggestions about the items that made the game notable beyond the 3:16, like first playoff game under the new 2010 overtime rule. Lightburst (talk) 14:30, 23 March 2024 (UTC)

•  Done Did no one notice that they had lost the three previous games by an average of 16 points. That is a 7th coincidence, IMO.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:32, 19 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done That Playoff article also noted that the only interception of the game was thrown on 3rd and 16. That makes 8 coincidences.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:40, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• The average margin of victory in Pittsburg's 3 previous games was 16. Make that 9.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:42, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• So for both teams the average margin of victory in the three previous games was 16 (Denver had lost all 3 and Pittsburgh had won 2 of theirs).-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 01:44, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done You need to link to 2009 BCS National Championship Game in the WP:LEAD. Also the Broncos and Steelers should be piped to their 2011 season articles.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:03, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

   Done I believe that I have done this The team links need to be the team season links. This was not a game between the Denver Broncos and the Pittsburgh Steelers. It was a game between the 2011 Denver Broncos and the 2011 Pittsburgh Steelers. That is where readers need to go to find out about these two teams. That is even where you need to go to find the HoFers for this game.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 17:08, 21 March 2024 (UTC)

•  Done "When Tim Tebow played college football for the Florida Gators in 2009" should instead be linked to the 2008 Florida Gators season, because that was the actual team.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:08, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done I am not seeing content about the shortest overtime in history. Make sure that is sourced.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC) First line in this article.
• Just seeing footnote about 3.16 y/carry being wrong.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:11, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done You will need to add a writeup about the game.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC) I may do a more comprehensive summary later, but for now it catches the high poiunts
• Because there is so much to do, I nearly failed this article. However, since the article is short, I'll stick around and wait to see how you respond. I'll put this on hold. This will be a first pass. I will have to come back through after you add a lot of the missing stuff.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 02:13, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
•  Done corrected thanks Sometimes you spell Pittsburgh with an h and sometimes without.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 23:37, 20 March 2024 (UTC)
• At one point I thought you had added "in that order", which I no longer see.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

  I have what I understood it to mean in the second sentence of the lead. But I may be confused about the request. I will add the words in that order in case that is what you meant. Lightburst (talk) 14:41, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

• I see one of the margin of victory coincidences has been moved to the footnotes, which is a judgement call, given its WP:RS absence by traditional inspection.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)

  yes, the item felt slightly like OR to me because no other RS mentioned it as unusual or related.

• I'm am going to look closer at the sources before promoting this. I await your response to these two issues.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 11:03, 28 March 2024 (UTC)
• I did promote this yesterday. Great work. The article has come a long way.-TonyTheTiger (T / C / WP:FOUR / WP:CHICAGO / WP:WAWARD) 13:44, 29 March 2024 (UTC)