Talk:3001: The Final Odyssey

Different Cover?

Added Template:Infobox_Book to the page. The cover photo is different from my cover photo, although the previous poster said that his cover photo was from the 1997 printing -- the copyright information in my book says that it is also part of the 1997 printing, so I'm not sure why the cover art is different. Perhaps someone else can answer that question. Banaticus 08:12, 2 September 2006 (UTC)

The cover photo is correct. I have this very 1997 edition, paperback with embossed letters and monolith, on my shelf. - 85.240.210.56 (talk) 21:10, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

BTW, should we also include the paperback ISBN? That would be 0 586 06624 1. - 85.240.210.56 (talk) 21:25, 26 September 2009 (UTC)

Speculation

I thought that bit of speculation was good. Although it was speculation, it wasn't something that Finduilas created himself, it essentially summarized/paralleled the last page of the book. Banaticus 19:42, 22 September 2006 (UTC)

Jupiter Monolith

Wouldn't it be the moon monolith that would have sent the message? Afterall, 2001 + 1000 = 3001, and TMA-1 did send a massive signal. 67.188.7.78 12:48, 2 March 2007 (UTC)

But TMA-1's signal was sent to Saturn (changed to Jupiter in the other novels), not outside the solar system. Besides, the book said that the "monolith HQ" was 450 light years away, not 500 (just finished the book yesterday). It doesn't add up correctly (450x2=900, not 1000), but maybe Clarke intended it that way... · AndonicO ^Talk 12:36, 27 April 2007 (UTC)

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BetacommandBot (talk) 04:03, 12 February 2008 (UTC)

Murdered by HAL

Would you say this is entirely accurate, as he isn't dead? —Preceding unsigned comment added by Auto98uk (talk • contribs) 13:16, 11 February 2009 (UTC)

It could be doubly innacurate because (1) HAL is a machine, so can he act with malice aforethought? and assuming that he can (2) in Odyssey II, it says that HAL did it because he had developed schizophrenia, or something equivalent, so he might be not guilty by reason of insanity, or he might only be guilty of voluntary manslaughter by virtue of diminished responsibility.James500 (talk) 05:14, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

I have changed the text to "deliberately killed" for the reasons given above. James500 (talk) 05:29, 3 March 2009 (UTC)

Serious problems with grammar, capitalization, etc.

Just to start off with one: Despite hundreds lazy journalists, lousy spell-checkers, etc., "Jupiter monolith" is "no bloody good" because "Jupiter" is not an adjective. Jupiter is a noun. Also, all of the adjectives that refer to the planets are common adjectives, and they are NOT capitalized. Hence, the phrase to use is "jovian monolith". I will just summarize the correct forms for you here:

1. Adjectives referring to the planets, plus our Moon and a few of the others: mercurian, venusian, terrestrial, lunar, martian, jovian, europan, saturnian, titanian, uranian, neptunian, tritonian.

2. Proper nouns referring to hypothetical inhabitants of the planets, and a few of the moons: Mercurian, Venusian, human, Lunarian, Martian, Jovian, Europan, Ganymean, Callistan, Saturnian, Titanian, Uranian, Neptunian, Tritonian, and Plutonian. Be careful: "Titania" is also the name of one of the main moons of Uranus.

In additions, and especially in science fiction, inhabitants of either the Earth or its future colonies are sometimes called "Terrans", "Terrestrians", "Gaians" (from a Greek root word), "Earthers", "Earthlings", "Earth humans", and I guess "Yankees". Lots of these come from S.F. writers just spitting in the wind, but "Gaia" really was an Ancient Greek word for the Earth (but in a different alphabet), and the great writer Isaac Asimov used the words "Gaia" and "Gaian" quite a bit in some of his novels. See Foundation's Edge, Foundation and Earth, and so forth.

3. Proper nouns that are the names of the planets, some of their moons, and some of the asteroids. These are always capitalized, of course: Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Phobus, Jupiter, Io, Europa, Ganymede, Callisto, Saturn, Titan, Iapetus (or Japetus), Enceledas, Uranus, Ariel, Titania, Miranda, Neptune, Triton, Pluto, Ceres, Vesta, Achilles, Ajax, Hector, Paris....

All of the moons of Uranus have been named from characters either from the writings of Alexander Pope or William Shakespeare. One of these, Miranda, comes from one of Shakespeare's plays, "The Tempest", which was set on an isolated island in the Adriatic Sea. Well, one of the greatest S.F. movies of all time, FORBIDDEN PLANET', was based somwhat on the play "The Tempest", and one of its main characters was a woman named Miranda. Well, in FORBIDDEN PLANET, there is only one woman, and her character was based in "Miranda" -- but FORBIDDEN PLANET is set on a planet called Altair IV, and that character has been given the name "Altaira". She was played by the lovely American acress Anne Francis, and she was stranded on that planet with her father, who was played by Walter Pidgeon, a Canadian-born actor. They get visited by a spaceship from the Earth, and its Captain was played by the actor Leslie Nielsen, also Canadian-born, and then all Hell breaks loose.

A really interesting thing about the character of the Captain is that he was SO much like Captain James T. KIrk of the STARSHIP ENTERPRISE, played by the Canadian William Shatner, but this was made years before STAR TREK' was made. Let me just simplify something by saying that there is lots of "smooching it up" between the Captain and Altaira -- who has never seen a man besides her father before. Then all Hell breaks loose!
98.67.163.16 (talk) 04:35, 22 July 2012 (UTC)

The correction of punctuation and grammar for the article are relevant, but the rest of your post is just so much forum-speak and is completely off-topic.

Moreover the assertion that 'Jupiter' cannot act adjectivally is incorrect. It's called 'nouns in apposition'. ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

Differences OR

Removed the massive amount of OR pointing out inconsistencies between the novels. I've moved this statement to the talk page. It properly belongs to a discussion of the series as a whole: "However, Clarke consistently stated that each of the Odyssey novels takes place in its own separate parallel universe" ZarhanFastfire (talk) 04:00, 8 May 2018 (UTC)

References

Plot Error

"They evolved from "primordial soup", and over the course of millions of years, became a space-faring species."

That would most certainly take longer than "millions of years". Is that an error in the book or in Wikipedia's plot section? 91.10.37.92 (talk) 22:02, 27 May 2018 (UTC)