Talk:24: Live Another Day

Cast/Casting sections

Do we really need specific character details in the latter that are already listed in the former? The casting section should only have the dates someone was cast and their character name, if that. Why stretch this page with duplicate info of a season not even aired yet? — Wyliepedia 04:14, 14 April 2014 (UTC)

Season/Spin-off

This page is written in a way that gives could lead people to think that it is a spin-off instead of a continuation of the 24 series. Under "Seasons" it says "1". The upcoming 24 is NOT the first season of a new show. They are a 9th season of the existing 24 series. --Jimv1983 (talk) 01:11, 28 April 2014 (UTC)

It's neither a spin-off nor a new season. It's a mini-series. ... discospinster _talk 02:39, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

No, it is just a shorter season. Lots of shows have a different number of episodes each season and some also have a sub title for the season(in this case Live Another Day is just a subtitle). I'm not sure if you ever watched the show Heroes but that is a similar example. The first season was 23 episodes and had a sub title of "Volume One: Genesis". The second season was 11 episodes(because of the writers strike) and had a subtitle of "Volume Two: Generations". The third season was split into two parts. The first part was 13 episodes and had the subtitle of "Volume Three: Villians". The second part was 12 episodes and had the subtitle of "Volume 4: Fugitives". The fourth season had 18 episodes and was called "Volume Five: Redemption". Next year Heroes is returning for a fifth season of 12 episodes with the subtitle of "Reborn"(not sure if they are calling it Volume Six". The NEW SEASON of 24 is the same thing. The ninth season is 12 episodes and has the subtitle "Live Another Day". I don't understand why it is so hard to understand. --Jimv1983 (talk) 03:05, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Just to add to the claim that it is a mini-series. Here is the definition of a "mini-series" from the Wiki article:

The term "miniseries" is used to refer to a single story told in a limited number of episodes, as opposed to a soap opera or a series of single stories about the same set of characters, which both may run for several years.

The upcoming season of 24 is a continuation of already established story and characters. The new season contradicts the definition of a "mini-series".

It also doesn't fit the definition of a spin-off which is a show based on a new set of main characters and stories but takes place in the same universe as the original show.--Jimv1983 (talk) 03:51, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Most news articles are referring to it as the 9th season so why is Wikipedia different? MisterShiney ✉ 19:20, 11 May 2014 (UTC)

If more evidence is needed that this is indeed a continuation (i.e. new season) of 24 rather than a miniseries or spin-off, there is the fact that episode 8 was promoted as the 200th episode of 24. I've added whole-series numbering to the episode list to reflect this. --Jol123 (talk) 02:23, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

I also think the term "limited series event" has been miscontrued by some people. I read it as an exception to a normal 24 season run, not as some special attachment to a series that just so happens to have four characters who have been on it before (as of the most recent episode). "Limited series event" means: same as before, only shorter. — Wyliepedia 02:36, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

No one was arguing this is a spin-off or not a continuation. We all understand it's basically "season 9", but we have to call it what it's officially referred to as. And as per the official website, "24: LIVE ANOTHER DAY is a thrilling new event series...". If Fox was officially calling it season 9, then that's what we'd call it, but they're not. I don't think anyone's discounting LAD as a new season of 24, it's just a formality. The addition of the number columns is a good idea, I was actually thinking of doing that earlier, so thank you. Does anyone have any strong feelings of converting to Template:Infobox television season for the infobox (for consistency with the previous seasons) or just leave it as using Template:Infobox television? Drovethrughosts (talk) 13:24, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Since 24:LAD:Season 2 will most likely not happen, the ITS infobox is best. — Wyliepedia 15:35, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

By "ITS" are you referring to Infobox Television Season, or to just keep as is (which is simply Infobox Television)? Drovethrughosts (talk) 15:43, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Sorry. Season. "IT" would've been the other. — Wyliepedia 21:26, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

Filming in London

I'd like to see some sourced information on the filming that was done in London. On what dates did it take place? What locations were used? Were any streets closed off, and if so which ones? And so on. Thanks, --Viennese Waltz 08:56, 4 May 2014 (UTC)

Official Facebook external link

The official facebook external link has been removed several times now under the dubious claim of being an excessive link. Ignoring the face that there are 3 "Official website" links and a link to a non-official "Wikia" page, let's argue about what excessive really is. I've taken a look at featured articles in American television, the Wikiproject this article primarily falls under. Silly claims of "Other stuff exists" obviously won't apply here because these arn't run of the mill crap that newbies create, these are our community-vetted featured articles. The top quality articles on our encyclopedia. That makes them relevant to this discussion. So, let's take a look:

• Ronald Reagan, featured class, 29 external links
• Star Trek: First Contact, featured class, 6 external links
• The Simpsons, featured class, 9 external links
• Sesame Street, featured class, 7 external links
• House (TV series), featured class, 7 external links
• Star Trek, good article class, 8 external links

It is not uncommon to have more than 5 external links on these articles. This list is not all exhaustive either. Frankly, if WP:ELMINOFFICIAL is to be adhered too, then the three 'official websites' need to be trimmed and not the facebook link since the facebook link on the official website goes to Fox24 and not the "Live Another Day" facebook.--v/r - TP 17:42, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

What about WP:ELNO # 10? — Wyliepedia 17:46, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The top of ELNO 10 says "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should generally avoid providing external links to:".--v/r - TP 17:50, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe you need a translator. "one should generally avoid providing external links to:" #10. — Wyliepedia 17:53, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Do you even speak English? Let me fill in the entire sentence for you then... "Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should generally avoid providing external links to Social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook), chat or discussion forums/groups (such as Yahoo! Groups), Twitter feeds, Usenet newsgroups or e-mail lists." Exception met - it's an official page - therefore the rule is invalidated. That's what a colon before a list does. Welcome to first-grade English.--v/r - TP 17:59, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You are correct, professor, however, Facebook is a "Social networking site". So, what's the problem? As for removing most everything else, I'm fine with simply having the main Fox website (or the other) and IMDb. The rest are unnecessary. (EXHIBIT A. No Facebook.) — Wyliepedia 18:16, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Here is what I'm reading: Except for a link to an official page of the article's subject, one should generally avoid providing external links to Social networking sites (such as Myspace and Facebook. See? — Wyliepedia 18:21, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Alright, before I respond, I got a little snarking in my last reply and that's wrong. So I'm sorry for that. I've stricken the comments. As for your reading, the first five words say it all. 'Except for an official page'. It is specific about an official page and not an official website. The facebook page is an official page.--v/r - TP 18:29, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The blue link at ELNO mentions "website", otherwise, why link FB in the "Links normally to be avoided"? I leave this convo for others. — Wyliepedia 18:40, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Fancruft, dedications, facebook memorials, actors, directors, ect. That's the stuff to be avoided.--v/r - TP 18:43, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

I only see one word in ELNO #10: Facebook, which has now been changed on the main page to the main series one. See? Anarchy! With that, I'm done editing this page. — Wyliepedia 18:58, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

We also have another policy to consider. WP:FACEBOOK. The general guideline is that unless there is no other web presence, Facebook should not be linked. We have other web presence, so it should be omitted per that. As well, see WP:ELMINOFFICIAL. Normally only one official link should be given. Given that the official website links to the Facebook and Twitter and the secondary website, the facebook link is not justified. Tutelary (talk) 20:28, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

WP:FACEBOOK is an essay - not a guideline. Essentially, it's the opinion of a few editors and has gained no consensus. Regarding "one official link" - feel free to do so. I see three "official websites", I suggest you start there. Practice is and has always been to include official facebook pages. Policy supports it, other featured articles demonstrate it is common and appropriate.--v/r - TP 01:31, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I do acknowledge that WP:FACEBOOK is an essay, but I don't think you saw what I wrote. The official site links to the Facebook page, and per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL, let me just quote it . For example, if the main page of the official website for an author contains a link to the author's blog and Twitter feed, then it is not appropriate to provide links to all three. Instead, provide only the main page of the official website in this situation. The official website links to the Twitter, The Facebook page and other social media. Therefore, we don't need an external link to the Facebook page per policy. The official site already acts as that. My proposal is to simply remove the Facebook page, and leave the official site link, and it will serve as a redirector to the Facebook page in itself. Tutelary (talk) 01:40, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I am aware of that line. However, if you look at the facebook link on the official website and look at the facebook link I posted, they are different. The link I posted is not on the official website. The official website links to the Fox24 page. Someone changed it on the article in the interim before you got here.--v/r - TP 01:48, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

https://www.facebook.com/24LiveAnotherDayOnFox is what I assume you're talking about, went through the history. That page appears to be a fan page and is not substantiated to be official, and shouldn't have been linked in the first place. So what exactly are you advocating for? To have the fan Facebook page added back? Include the official fox link? Tutelary (talk) 01:57, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

No, I was working off the impression from speaking to someone else that that was an official page. Apparently other official TV pages have a blue "verified" checkmark that this one does not. So I suppose it's not the official page.--v/r - TP 02:32, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Anywho, If you don't object, I'd like to have the Facebook page removed from external links (as it's redundant, considering the official Facebook page is linked on the official website.) Per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL and the sentence that I quoted. Tutelary (talk) 02:39, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

(shrug) Feel free.--v/r - TP 02:42, 9 May 2014 (UTC)\

Do you have any strong feelings on the Wikia link, either? Tutelary (talk) 02:44, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I don't think there is harm in leaving it, but I couldn't make a case for keeping it other than that.--v/r - TP 02:46, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

I've removed the Facebook link per WP:ELMINOFFICIAL and the Wikia link per WP:ELNO's #12 and #11, respectfully. Going to bed now. Tutelary (talk) 02:54, 9 May 2014 (UTC)

Characters

I suggest changing the name of the more through list from List of 24 characters#24: Live Another Day to List of 24 LAD characters as the # symbol makes it look messy. Thank you.JohnGormleyJG (talk) 18:47, 4 September 2014 (UTC)

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