Talk:21 Club

Phones on tables and depictions in media

One of the features of 21 for much of its history were phones on or near the tables and the restuarant employed a switchboard operator to direct outside calls to the tables should guests get calls while visiting.

The film Sweet Smell of Success has several scenes set at the club (most likely shot on a reproduction set rather than the club itself). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:7800:9F15:642E:2F:3E4A:788A (talk) 02:15, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Question

and 21's days of subverting the authorities are clearly over

Is this encyclopedic? --Dpr 15:40, 24 September 2005 (UTC)

Marketing?

This article reads like a press release written by the restaurant's publicist. It has almost nothing of interest to the reader that isn't marketing-driven. --K72ndst 15:25, 9 May 2006 (UTC)

It looks like subtle spam to me, the author has been putting dorothyparker.com links all over wikipedia (I'm currently cleaning them up). I suggest AfD'ing this article. 67.117.130.181 03:02, 6 December 2006 (UTC)

No need to delete it, the place is culturally significant or whatever but it does still read like a publicity handout for tourists, no historical or industry context is given. Gwen Gale 07:04, 21 January 2007 (UTC)

The article does seem to be improving in quality with regards to WP:advert, and I definitely think it has a historical quality that makes it noteworthy.Bradfordschultze (talk) —Preceding undated comment was added at 14:04, 5 August 2008 (UTC)

Question about speakeasy history

I was reading up about the speakeasy history of 21 Club; about the series of levers that disposed of the drink during raids, etc. Was this commonplace during the era? I know they had to develop various methods to avoid prosecution, but was 21 the only one to use mechanical methods? Siyavash 05:23, 18 February 2007 (UTC)

Logo

I think the logo added today looks ridiculous. The photo of the exterior is much better. The addition of the logo makes it look like a marketing site. Your thoughts? -- K72ndst (talk) 18:47, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

It wasn't added today. It's been looking ridiculous for quite some time. :)

Actually, if you look at the photo file itself, it's pretty nice. But the way {{Infobox Restaurant}} is coded screws up the size and makes it look awful. Aside from that, it's Fair Use and I'm not convinced it adds anything significant to the article. We already have a free photo of the exterior, so a non-free image shouldn't be needed. I'm removing it. Kafziel ^Talk 19:00, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Good job. Nice edit. That logo was physically hurting my eyes to look at. I took a photo of the "21" jockey statues I should add to the article too. What do you think? K72ndst (talk) 20:52, 7 January 2008 (UTC)

Further Question

'all painted to portray a uniformly Caucasian skin tone.' Is this really necessary to say? It's not really all that important. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 1.36.238.123 (talk) 13:47, 22 October 2016 (UTC)

Above author must not be American to realize why it would be very important, as "lawn jockeys" were often painted in caricatures of Black people and considered racist. Hence, many readers of the article will naturally assume that the jockeys at 21 were the same. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2603:8000:7800:9F15:642E:2F:3E4A:788A (talk) 01:51, 19 September 2024 (UTC)

Which Bush?

The page mentions that George W. Bush dined at the 21 Club prior to becoming President...but also that he was dining there when he found out that he was picked as Reagan's running mate. It was George H.W. Bush who was Reagan's running mate, so I'm not sure where the mixup is...but something in the article is necessarily incorrect about the Bushes. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 188.21.3.1 (talk) 18:06, 6 August 2017 (UTC)

Number of Jockeys

The "Environment" section lists 35 jockeys; 33 outside and two more inside. The very bottom of the "History" section mentions a total of 37. Were two removed since? Are two of them somewhere else? If so, where? Is one just incorrect? SeafoamSpirit (talk) 13:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)