Talk:2023 FIFA U-20 World Cup

We need to monitor Israel's participation

Israel's sudden maiden debut of this competition came in 2023, but with a host nation like Indonesia, we need to monitor Israel's movements. There are necessary needs to address several things:

1. Indonesia is a Muslim majority state, and, unlike Turkey or the UAE, have no formal relations with Israel. Indonesia has, in the past, used to reject Israeli athletes, which still stays the same even though it has been less radical than some Muslim nations. As for 2022, Indonesia still has no formal relations with Israel.
2. Israel views Indonesia as a Palestine supporter, and has been wary of Indonesian Islamists' aggressiveness. Therefore, protection of Israeli information prior to this cup is also needed if Indonesian Islamists are about to roam the article.

Anything related to Israel's participation must be secured and protected, while we have to wait Jakarta's willingness to accept Israel to play or not. HiddenFace101 (talk) 07:20, 27 June 2022 (UTC)

@HiddenFace101: Thanks for writing this. I came here to say the same thing! Just remember to sign your posts ;) MaskedSinger (talk) 16:11, 26 June 2022 (UTC)

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Israel and Indonesian hooliganism

Recently, Indonesia has been hit hard by a violent football unrest in Liga 1, the country's main domestic league. While Indonesian hooliganism is not a new thing, the connection with Israel's participation makes us a little wary. Note that Indonesia is the world's most populous Muslim state, and has never recognised Israel as a nation, siding with the Palestinians for most of its history.

I expect that we will have to prepare for everything possible about Indonesia's ability to host it. If not for hooliganism, then Israel will take hold. Another Munich can also happen in the future. We should monitor Indonesia's hosting ability this time. HiddenFace101 (talk) 20:48, 3 October 2022 (UTC)

Can anyone help updating Israel's potential participation?

Israel, so far, has not ruled out its potential withdrawal, and their perpetration is a huge blank page. On the other hand, the Indonesian hosts are uncertain. Meanwhile, there is already another Arab team in the competition, Iraq, which has refused to recognize Israel as a country (Tunisia, also rejects Israel's existence, is in the same pot so they are technically unable to meet each other from the group stage). I need clarification of Israel's participation. HiddenFace101 (talk) 07:13, 13 March 2023 (UTC)

I can help with this pending any news about it. At this stage the Indonesian government has publicly pledged to look after the Israeli team while they are in the tournament. There is no chance of Israel not participating. As for the draw, nothing has officially announced re them be able/unable to play each other. MaskedSinger (talk) 12:35, 23 March 2023 (UTC)

New reports appear not supporting it. Indonesian authorities claimed they could not guarantee security for Israeli team. This is pretty bad and the tournament risks moving or even facing suspension.

https://www.reddit.com/r/soccer/comments/122nslu/cl_merlo_the_u20_world_cup_in_indonesia_is_at/ HiddenFace101 (talk) 14:59, 26 March 2023 (UTC)

On 27 March a minister said that Indonesia don't reject Israeli participation, but will allow Israel with some preconditions, it seems that FIFA isn't agree with these preconditions; PSSI chairman will go to Zurich to lobby/persuade FIFA about this (source). This reply at the post you linked basically explains the current situation.

I don't find any source regarding to "Indonesian authorities claimed they could not guarantee security for Israeli team". Hddty (talk) 18:31, 27 March 2023 (UTC)

Even if this may not be a bold statement, the situation in Indonesia shows that we need to place concerns on Israel's participation.

Better remember that during the same span of time, protests against Israel's participation has been raging in various Indonesian cities by Islamic fundamentalists. Meanwhile, there is also reports that Peru is the potential candidate to replace Indonesia hosting, though some nations like Argentina, Qatar and Saudi Arabia are showing some degrees of interests. However, I am not sure about Saudi Arabia given it is the home of two Holy Cities and has a population that are not exactly fond of Israel, so we may leave Argentina, Peru and Qatar on this discussion.

https://www.elobservador.com.uy/nota/peru-sera-la-sede-del-mundial-sub-20-segun-informan-en-indonesia-2023327162335 HiddenFace101 (talk) 17:37, 28 March 2023 (UTC)

Wow. This really escalated quickly! I feel sad for the Indonesian players who dreamed about playing in front of their own fans and also for Indonesian football who wanted to put on a show. Sad that politics interfered here. It's crazy that the first time Israel qualifies for this tournament, it's in a place like Indonesia... MaskedSinger (talk) 14:24, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

Now the question is which nation will host it. Argentine and South American media have made statement that Argentina was officially appointed as replacement host. But there is no FIFA statement about it. Without FIFA's confirmation, it is just rumour. HiddenFace101 (talk) 16:52, 30 March 2023 (UTC)

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NOTE : Indonesia will not host the FIFA U-20 World Cup

Hi! Indonesia will not host the FIFA U-20 World Cup Because Israel qualifying ( as UEFA members) and Isreal and Indonesia have very bad relationships with each other and the Indonesian government wasn't welcomed to the U-20 Israeli team being in it's soil. And that's it bye! Patotoboi865 (talk) 16:09, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

Here's a source published today:[1] FIFA has decided, due to the current circumstances, to remove Indonesia as the host of the FIFA U-20 World Cup 2023™. A new host will be announced as soon as possible, with the dates of the tournament currently remaining unchanged. -- zzuuzz ^(talk) 16:20, 29 March 2023 (UTC)

There is a need that Argentina has officially submitted the bid, but Peru and Qatar do not say they have quitted the run. Let's see if Peru and Qatar want to bid or not. HiddenFace101 (talk) 11:26, 31 March 2023 (UTC)

I think that the FIFA U-20 World Cup will be delayed or even canceled

Honestly, I think the FIFA U-20 World Cup will be delayed or even canceled again due to the unexpected withdrawal from FIFA and the limited time FIFA have to choose bids and also the draw. Patotoboi865 (talk) 05:31, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

I doubt it will be cancelled. But being delayed is possible. There is another possibility that the U-20 World Cup and U-17 World Cup may soon see a hosting swap (Peru host U-20 and Indonesia host U-17). Overall, Peru was also suddenly not allowed to host the U-17 World Cup because of "inadequate reasons", something very bizarre given Peru used to host FIFA U-17 World Cup and Pan-American Games in the past. HiddenFace101 (talk) 07:00, 6 April 2023 (UTC)

Referenced host nation

Hi, does it continue to be necessary to have a reference attached to [Argentina] in the infobox? I think it's a no-brainer that FIFA made their decision days ago. 190.246.97.81 (talk) 07:39, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

 Removed Agree, it isn't needed as per MOS:INFOBOXCITE. Joseph2302 (talk) 20:43, 22 April 2023 (UTC)

The United States not advanced immediately?

This tournament has only 24 teams with six groups. With this in mind, four best third-placed teams will also advance, which mean maximum six points grant them a clear passage to advance. With over six points, why is the United States "still on contention to qualify"? HiddenFace101 (talk) 17:22, 24 May 2023 (UTC)

Israel and Tunisia as possible quarter-final opponents

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It's hard to believe how Israel and Tunisia managed to get the same bracket for quarter-final places. Whatever reasons however, in case Israel and Tunisia emerged as victors, there is a need to discuss about it. HiddenFace101 (talk) 09:03, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

This talk page is about the Article, not a blog about the event. Matilda Maniac (talk) 12:44, 30 May 2023 (UTC)

No, not. But who knows what the hell Arabs want with regard to ongoing Israel's appearance. Even though Tunisia's chance to beat Brazil is almost impossible, but a shock Tunisia's win may result in even greater vandalism.

We have to learn something from what happened with Indonesia's case.

Here is also my necessary explanation. What I am talking about is the rather unhappy conflict between Israel and Arabs (plus Iran, South and Southeast Asians) who are predominantly Muslims but far more radical ones. Israel's previous Muslim opponents in the tournament, Senegal and Uzbekistan, are of completely different branches and not to be grouped with Arabs like Tunisia. Israel has a far greater relationship with both of them (not exactly friendlier, but considered more acceptable), one is because of their Songhay ancestry of West Africa, and one is because of their Turkic ancestry.

We tend to state about Muslim boycott of Israel but not every Muslims opt so despite their disagreement with Israel's policy toward Palestine. The boycott is more like an Arab, Iranian or South Asian thing. In a case that Tunisia might win against Brazil, there is a need to discuss the possibility of an early Tunisian withdrawal from the quarters. Arab athletes and sport teams have demonstrated their willingness to withdraw from playing Israel and to accept fines from other sporting federations as long as they reject playing Israel. HiddenFace101 (talk) 01:37, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

This talk page is about the Article, not a blog about the event. Discuss your theories and concerns about the "rather unhappy conflict between Israel and Arabs" at some other Football forum, or the "need to discuss the possibility of an early Tunisian withdrawal from the quarters", but not within the Talk page which is related to the Wikipedia article of the event. Matilda Maniac (talk) 05:06, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

Do I have to speak a theory when it is solely based on Boycotts of Israel in sports? HiddenFace101 (talk) 06:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

This is an encyclopedia. Unless you have an article from a reliable source that documents something one side said about leaving the competition if they were to face each other, than there is nothing to include. Other than that it is original research and violates WP:NOR. Chris1834 Talk 13:36, 31 May 2023 (UTC)

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Israel is the third place winner

Israel won against south korea 3-1 and not lost to them 2A0D:6FC7:51D:8AD1:45F2:890B:9B16:5475 (talk) 13:25, 14 June 2023 (UTC)