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Joe Biden Image in infobox change

I believe that we should change the photo of Joe Biden in the image box. in the 2020 election he is challenging an incumbent president so I do not believe his presidential portrait is appropriate within this context. In addition, it would help with regards to the 2024 Presidential election page, as I understand there are serious talks amoung the editors about changing Trump's photo in the infobox. Much like here is challenging an incumbent and his presidential portrait is not appropriate. I believe this photo could be a good alternative: PizzaSliced (talk) 06:05, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

He's not looking at the camera in this image. 331dot (talk) 09:52, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Is this typically considered a deciding factor? For example, Hilary Clinton's image in the infobox on the 2016 Presidetial Election page has her not looking at the camera aswell. PizzaSliced (talk) 09:56, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

Pardon me for my extremely poor phrasing- he's squinting in this image. HRC is not. 331dot (talk) 10:27, 16 March 2024 (UTC)

I 100% agree with this, 2020 should be a photo of Candidate Biden vs President Trump and likewise 2024 should be President Biden vs Candidate Trump. There was a good one from wikicommons (on the left).

68.189.2.14 :::::(talk) 17:27, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

Is that the only concern regarding this change? I believe that in the lead-up to this election, we should seriously consider changing this photo due to the essentially confirmed 2024 presidential election rematch. Especially considering the fact that although a rematch occurred in the 1956 election, Adlai Stevenson II was never an incumbent president, this is quite unprecedented in recent history. As outlined, I believe this change should be implemented, regardless of the specific picture of Biden chosen. 2001:8F8:1163:1DCA:19D1:AF7F:587E:5FE7 (talk) 20:28, 19 March 2024 (UTC)

I agree. There are plenty of potential choices in regards to a new picture of Biden in the info-box

Another good option

PizzaSliced (talk) 07:55, 20 March 2024 (UTC)

I think this is the last time this topic was discussed btw. TheSavageNorwegian 21:24, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Agree - We should not use presidential portraits for the election they were put into office, its anachronistic. HadesTTW (he/him • talk) 18:52, 30 June 2024 (UTC)

Sounds like we're all on the same page that the presidential portrait is not the right pic. I agree, it's a little strange to use a picture taken months after the election, not before. TheSavageNorwegian 21:00, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Back in December of 2020, they were using File:Joe Biden 2013.jpg. how do we feel about that? TheSavageNorwegian 21:18, 29 April 2024 (UTC)

Joe Biden and Donald Trump

In my opinion we should use the new official portrait taken just a few weeks after the election. Using a picture taken in 2013, for an election in 2020 is quite absurd and confusing for a reader, while photos taken during the campaign rallies have far lower quality and usually he doesn't look to the camera. We have always used the new official portrait (see Trump in 2016, Obama in 2012 and 2008, Bush in 2004 and 2000 and so on) so I sincerly don't understand why we have to change this practice now. Moreover, there had been a closed discussion in 2021, during which it was agreed to use the new official portrait of the elected-president, I sincerly believe we should continue on this way. -- Nick.mon (talk) 10:37, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I see! Thank you for finding that thread, because I certainly hadn't. I definitely don't want to trample over consensus. My instinct is if a picture that meets our criteria of very high-quality, facing the camera, and before the election exists, we should use it, preference being for as close to the election as we can. I can certainly see how 2013 doesn't meet that, I had just assumed that it was on the page in late 2020 for a reason. I should have dug deeper, sorry! TheSavageNorwegian 14:13, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

Oh don’t worry at all! We can still re-open the discussion if there’s a consensus. Even if, in my opinion, using the official portrait of the president-elect was a good compromise. -- Nick.mon (talk) 23:28, 30 April 2024 (UTC)

I think we should use the presidential portraits, better to have a photo that is more presidential, and that’s what we do on other articles. Prcc27 (talk) 00:49, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

Semi-protected edit request on 20 July 2024

Disregard. 74.105.92.99 (talk) 00:34, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Is turnout calculated by number of votes divided by with registered voters or 18-year-olds and above with citizenship?

Is turnout calculated by number of votes divided by registered voters or 18-year-olds and above with citizenship? Alexysun (talk) 00:39, 15 July 2024 (UTC)

The U.S. Census Bureau calculated a voter turnout of 66.8% in 2020, as the people reporting having voted divided by the estimated U.S. population at or over age 18 who were U.S. citizens. The denominator excluded U.S. residents ineligible to vote due to not being U.S. citizens, but included those ineligible due to a criminal conviction and excluded U.S. citizens residing in other countries who were eligible to vote. This turnout was an increase of 5.4pp compared to the turnout of 61.4% in the 2016 election, calculated by the same institution with the same basis. 74.105.92.99 (talk) 00:39, 20 July 2024 (UTC)

Coup d'etat?

In the lead it says,

Before, during, and after Election Day, Trump and numerous other Republicans engaged in an aggressive and unprecedented attempt to subvert the election and overturn the results, falsely alleging widespread voter fraud and trying to influence the vote-counting process in swing states, in what was described by many as an attempted coup d'état.

Wouldn't it be a self coup since Trump was in power at the time? Maurnxiao (talk) 19:06, 10 July 2024 (UTC)

This does seem to be the more accurate term. I've found several good sources calling it a self-coup (Brookings, the journal Gov't and Opposition, Politico, etc). I support this change. Gowser (talk) 16:30, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Turns out that self-coup is a form of coup d'etat. I think it's worth adding the more precise term, feel free to revert. Gowser (talk) 16:43, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

Thank you! Maurnxiao (talk) 20:59, 22 July 2024 (UTC)

"Close states" section is illegible on Dark Mode

Using Wikipedia's new dark mode, the "Close states" section of the article has legibility problems. The dark red lines are odd but readable, while the dark blue lines are completely unreadable. Similarly, the "County statistics" section following it has problems with the dark blue percentages. If this could be improved, us dark mode Wikipedians would be very thankful! Thunderforge (talk) 19:14, 23 July 2024 (UTC)

Change Joe Biden portrait back to Joe_Biden_2013.jpg

I feel like we should change Joe Biden's portrait on this article back to the portrait used before he was president. This would make it consistent with the previous US presidential election pages on Wikipedia. Eehuiio (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)

Change Joe Biden portrait back to Joe_Biden_2013.jpg

I feel like we should change Joe Biden's portrait on this article back to the portrait used before he was president. This would make it consistent with the previous US presidential election pages on Wikipedia. Eehuiio (talk) 16:08, 9 August 2024 (UTC)