Talk:2020–21 Formula E World Championship

Requested move 12 August 2020

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The result of the move request was: not moved. A WP:RM may be proposed when it becomes WP:COMMONNAME (non-admin closure) ~ Amkgp 💬 19:36, 19 August 2020 (UTC)

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2020–21 Formula E Championship → 2020–21 Formula E World Championship – Formula E will be promoted to the world-championship level since 2020–21 season, joining F1, WRC, WEC and WRX to become the fifth world championship subject to the FIA, so it should be consistent with them (which all contain "World Championship" for their individual season articles). Unnamelessness (talk) 04:06, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose It is not a WP:COMMONNAME, otherwise you are obligated to provide the reflection of the dominant usage in the reliable third-party sources. It complicates the title with meaningless word which promoters use only for PR purposes. It breaks the consistency with other FE seasons. Corvus tristis (talk) 04:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Agree: it might not yet be the "common name" (kind of obvious, since it is not yet a World Championship), but it will almost certainly become the general name once the season start. Since World Championship is the correct name, I see no point in waiting until the general news have caught up with it. Wild8oar (talk) 06:23, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

When it becomes common, then propose the renaming, now it is quite prematurely and against the policy. Corvus tristis (talk) 08:52, 12 August 2020 (UTC)

• Oppose - Initially my thoughts were to support this as the FIA has upgraded the series to world championship status. However, as both the FIA site and the series official site, fiaformulae.com, still refer to it as the "Formula E Championship" then such a move is premature. --John B123 (talk) 20:50, 12 August 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose FIA and the Formula E website still refer to it as simply a "championship", not a "world championship". Hansen Sebastian^Talk 09:37, 16 August 2020 (UTC)

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Requested move 27 November 2020

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The result of the move request was: Consensus to move (non-admin closure) (t · c) buidhe 18:01, 5 December 2020 (UTC)

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2020–21 Formula E Championship → 2020–21 Formula E World Championship – Formula E has been promoted to World Championship, as it appears on their website and on the FIA website. Keeping consistency with all the others World Championships, it should have it in the name. This request has been rejected before because the promotion to WC wasn't still official, but now it is. Drfebusinc (talk) 11:02, 27 November 2020 (UTC)

• Support: See FE website and FIA. Wild8oar (talk) 12:12, 27 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support: Formula E is now an official FIA World Championship. TJSRX (talk) 14:04, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
• Support: per nom.Rpo.castro (talk) 21:43, 29 November 2020 (UTC)
• Oppose: it is a false statement that "This request has been rejected before because the promotion to WC wasn't still official". The key argument was that is not a WP:COMMONNAME and it still wasn't demonstrated through the prism of third-party sources. See also the closure comment of the User:Amkgp in the previous discussion. FIA and FE sites could not be considered as third-party sources. For example: Motorsport.com, Motorauthority.com still don't use it. So I still don't see how it is a common name. Corvus tristis (talk) 17:58, 30 November 2020 (UTC)
  • Well, Motorsport calls it World Championship here and Autosport does so here. Both are recent articles. Obviously they don't want to use the full long name all the time, but they do use World Championship when it makes sense in the context. Wild8oar (talk) 18:40, 30 November 2020 (UTC) Edit: ok, it is both times the same quote from Jean Todt. But still... Wild8oar (talk) 18:55, 30 November 2020 (UTC)

If they don't want to use it all the time then why it is a common name?.. Yes, you are correct it is just one quote from Jean Todt, it doesn't reflect that the name became common. P.S. If you want to use official name then you should use also "FIA" as both FIA and official FE site call it 2020-21 ABB FIA Formula E World Championship. P.S.S. I don't see why we should break name consistency with previous seasons for this slight rebranding. Corvus tristis (talk) 04:25, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

Common name is not using it all the time. It wouldn't be common name but only name. With FE is happening the same that happens with F1. You see press using F1 World Championship, FIA F1 World Championship and also F1 Championship. Yes, you have a lot of people using the 3 in a competition that hasn't changed its designation for decades. As for Formula E that is just starting his first time as a world championship, its really strange having also the 3 designations in the media (with or without FIA and with or without World). Just a PR? Well FIA Touring car competition change could be called just a face-lift. Ok, different cars different regulations. What about GP2->Formula 2? Same car, same regulations. And rebranding isn't just a PR move? But if the owner changes the name, why will other people call it the old name? It's a World Championship. If "world" isn't added, it will be the only world championship being called just "championship". Where is the consistency?Rpo.castro (talk) 19:36, 1 December 2020 (UTC)

It seems that you should read again WP:COMMONNAME guideline. When GP2 became F2, new name became common, because all the third-party sources started to call it F2 and stopped to call it GP2 everywhere. If the third-party sources still name it just Formula E without "World Championship" in 99% of cases, then why we should emphasize this unnatural subtitle which used only by Jean Todt, organizers and some hardcore fans? Is it our problem that FE organizers did bad PR job to promote new title in media to make it common? Corvus tristis (talk) 04:50, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

It seems you should look again. I don't know where you get your 99%. I get 3 designations being used for the 2020-21 season: FIA FE World Champ, FE WC, and FE championship. Bad PR? I don't know, I'm not an expert, but this season started on monday I think, so its only starting now. And like I said, the only world championship not being called world championship, just because of previous seasons.Rpo.castro (talk) 15:15, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support: This is a no brainer really. While I understand the commoname concern, that is not the only thing that matters upon deciding a title. WP:PRECISE carries more weight here.Tvx1 13:51, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

WP:PRECISE: Usually, titles should unambiguously define the topical scope of the article, but should be no more precise than that. Corvus tristis (talk) 14:20, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

I don't see any reason why here it should be different than with 2020 Formula One World Championship. Wild8oar (talk) 15:26, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Honestly, I don't understand why F1 articles have this pointless subtitle either, because 2020 Formula One Championship is precise enough. It worked fine without it when all the season articles were named just like 1980 Formula One season. But, probably talk about F1 should be saved for another discussion. Corvus tristis (talk) 16:24, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Because not everyone considers it a "pointless subtitle". WP:COMMONNAME should be used alongside WP:COMMONSENSE. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

Not sure if this renaming is alongside with WP:COMMONSENSE, looks more like the whim of hardcore fans. Corvus tristis (talk) 09:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Quote "FIA World Championship status has a genuine value" by autosport.com. When people don't know what they are talking about and just try to get a win just because. Rpo.castro (talk) 10:26, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

When people don't know what they are talking about and just try to get a win just because. Good self-explanatory of your actions here. Corvus tristis (talk) 11:29, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

Who's the only one making this a personal quest, replying to each user, and stating thing like "Bad PR" or "whim of hardcore fans"?Rpo.castro (talk) 13:20, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support If this is the actual name of the thing, then we should use the actual name of the thing. - The Bushranger _{One ping only} 21:21, 2 December 2020 (UTC)

The actual name is either Formula E or FIA Formula E World Championship or ABB FIA Formula E World Championship. Formula E World Championship is just a collective product of the group of the editors. Corvus tristis (talk) 09:22, 3 December 2020 (UTC)

• Support If "World" isn't added to the title, then as far as I am aware it would be the only FIA World Championship without "World" in the title on Wikipedia. If there needs to be a group discussion involving F1 as well (and any other FIA championships that this could apply to), then that may be worth doing, but I see no reason why Formula E would need to be different than F1. Hughfeehan353 (talk) 16:42, 4 December 2020 (UTC)

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Should it be changed to 2021 Formula E World Championship?

Since the championship won't be held in 2020, shouldn't the article be renamed to 2021 Formula E World Championship? – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 17:04, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

Only if you can prove that it is the common name over the current title.
SSSB (talk) 17:09, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

@SSSB: Noted, have to wait for FIA and FE committee updates, currently their website still list it as 2020/21. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 17:21, 31 December 2020 (UTC)

I had created 2021 Formula E World Championship once with a proper template explaining things. What on earth was there to misunderstand? Why delete a proper redirect without consulting first? m( --FunkyMartian (talk) 15:43, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@FunkyMartian: Not sure if you are talking to me, but if you are go check the page history. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 15:53, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@Paper9oll: I don't know who to talk to because it's no longer public who deleted the original 2021 Formula E World Championship page I've set up and that was also patrolled by someone. Whoever did that, did not care to read the templates. --FunkyMartian (talk) 16:09, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

@FunkyMartian: Apprarently what happened was User:Maciej Mucharski moved 2020–21 Formula E World Championship to 2021 Formula E World Championship which would overwrite everything (only pages moved by User with Page Mover rights will have the history intact), meaning the 2021 Formula E Championship you created is deleted by the system in order to make way for the move. However, I reverted the move hence the 2021 Formula E Championship article no longer have the template you added because that was overwrite as stated in sentence before this. – Paper9oll (📣 • 📝) 16:23, 10 January 2021 (UTC)

You can't change the designation of the competition just because the dates (either start or end) changed due to extraordinary situations. Only if the common designation has changed, and that didn't happened for the most competitions like UEFA Euro 2020 (re-schedule to 2021).Rpo.castro (talk) 12:49, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

"2021 Berlin ePrix" listed at Redirects for discussion

A discussion is taking place to address the redirect 2021 Berlin ePrix. The discussion will occur at Wikipedia:Redirects for discussion/Log/2021 August 15#2021 Berlin ePrix until a consensus is reached, and readers of this page are welcome to contribute to the discussion.
SSSB (talk) 14:47, 15 August 2021 (UTC)