Talk:2019 Prince Edward Island general election

NDP in Infobox

Should the NDP be in the Infobox when they have no prospect for winning seats and have no seats currently? Me-123567-Me (talk) 00:02, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

No. Legacypac (talk) 03:00, 24 June 2018 (UTC)

Yes, they should. They're a pretty minor party in PEI but tend to get equal coverage in local news sources, owing to the fact they're connected to a major national party. That and there are only four registered parties in PEI so might as well include them all. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 12:49, 1 April 2019 (UTC)

I agree with Ivanvector. The NDP should be included. There are only four parties in PEI. All leaders participated in the debates, and reliable sources tend to cover all of them (NDP included). I believe WP:NPOV requires us to put them all in the box, even though only three of them ultimately elected MLAs. The NDP should be added back into the infobox.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 19:59, 25 April 2019 (UTC)

Hm. My comment was before the election, and now I find myself disagreeing with myself. No New Democrats were elected, only one of their candidates placed better than last place, counting independents, and it wasn't their leader. It's their worst showing since 2007, and they only ran candidates in 15 of 27 districts in that election. It's fair to exclude them from the infobox now that the results are in. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 01:15, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Thanks. All good points, before and after the election. I tend to think their participation in the debates is a big indicator they should be included, but I take your points about their poor showing.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk) 01:35, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

The general rule from other provincial elections is that they have to win a seat to be in the infobox. Hence why the Greens are usually excluded. We have added a party post-election before if they win a seat. The NDP did not. Thus they should not be in the infobox. Me-123567-Me (talk) 03:01, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

It seems the general rule is not always followed. In BC, every election since 2001 includes the Greens in the infobox despite them not recieving seats until 2013. They have been in provincal debates for some time though. I also note that the NDP appear in the infobox for the 2015 PEI election. Seems like we are inconsistent on this.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

No, the rule is 5% if a party doesn't win a seat, which is why the Greens are in the BC infoboxes. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:37, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

Makes sense.--Darryl Kerrigan (talk)

Candidate Passing

A candidate has passed. I know who but the family has not been fully notified yet. Simply giving everyone a heads up for when the edit does occur. Nickjbor (talk) 03:56, 20 April 2019 (UTC)

It was Josh Underhay, the Green Party candidate in Charlottetown-Hillsborough Park. PKT(alk) 16:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

Election results templates

I started creating templates for election results based on the ones used in other provinces, since I noticed we don't have them for elections in PEI, and we might as well. I've so far created Template:2019 Prince Edward Island provincial election/Souris—Elmira (because it's district 1) and Template:2019 Prince Edward Island provincial election/Charlottetown—West Royalty (because it's one of the only ones which has all four parties plus an independent). I'm busy today and probably won't be able to get to all of these and I definitely won't be around tonight once results start coming in, but they're there for whoever wants to use them. Elections PEI doesn't have a placeholder results page up but they will later in the day, so that source will need to be added. I don't know if or when expenditures will be posted. Ivanvector (^Talk/_Edits) 15:28, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

It looks like a number of page moves are needed for ridings whose names/boundaries have changed since the last election. I was about to update Template:PEI-ED but I found some of the situation of some of the ridings confusing, so I bailed out of the task rather than get something wrong. PKT(alk) 16:01, 23 April 2019 (UTC)

King as premier-designate

In the last few minutes the first reliable source has named King as premier-designate by updating this article published half an hour ago, but that is the only source saying so for now. Onetwothreeip (talk) 02:40, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

He's not the Premier-designate unless the Greens come out and indicate they will back the PCs though a coalition or through confidence and supply. Right now, we don't know who the Premier will be. Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. It's very unfortunate that the media has decided to declare a winner when no one has won yet. -- Earl Andrew - talk 03:21, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

He's not the premier-designate until the incumbent resigns and the lieutenant-governor designated King as premier-designate. That hadn't happened last night. It may happen today. There needn't be a coalition or confidence and supply agreement for King to be premier-designate, all that needs to happen is for the LG to ask him if he thinks he can command the confidence of the house and for King to say yes. He may wish to wait until he has an agreement with the Greens or he may wish to go ahead without it and hope the Greens don't vote against his throne speech. A confidence and supply agreement is nice for a minority government to have but it's not essential and is actually the exception rather than the rule. It usually only happens if the incumbent Premier refuses to resign (as Miller, Clark, and Gallant did in Ontario, BC, and New Brunswick respectively) and the Opposition parties want to prove that there is an alternate government ready to take office following a no confidence vote. CosmosCagoul (talk) 12:59, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

I'm not sure if that's exactly true since the incumbent lost his own seat, but I agree it's safe to wait for the LG's official declaration. King and Bevan-Baker were both interviewed on the CBC's PEI radio station this morning and both said they're not intending to form coalitions but just looking forward generally to working together, which is a very Island approach to the whole thing. Of course, my interpretation of what two guys said on the radio isn't a reliable source. Almost every media outlet is referring to King as premier-designate though. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 13:09, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

If Wade MacLauchlan refuses to resign, a confidence and supply or coalition agreement between the Greens and Tories may be useful in the lead up to a no confidence vote but given that the Liberals came in a poor third and he lost his own seat it's highly unlikely MacLauchlan will try to test his government's support in the house rather than just resign. CosmosCagoul (talk) 13:10, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Does he even have the option of refusing to resign? Can someone who was not elected even be premier? Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 13:20, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Yes, you don't have to have a seat in the legislature to be Premier. It has happened a handful of times in Canadian history. -- Earl Andrew - talk 13:32, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Interesting. Not that I'm challenging you but just out of personal interest, do you know of examples? Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 14:30, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

Christy Clark (from May 13, 2013 to July 10, 2013) is the most recent example. There was also Don Getty in Alberta (March 20, 1989 to May 9, 1989), just to name a couple off the top of my head. There have also been some Prime Ministers, the most recent was John Turner who was not an MP at all when he was Prime Minister.-- Earl Andrew - talk 14:37, 24 April 2019 (UTC)

This got me thinking about possible other examples: [[1]] details three Alberta premiers who did not hold a seat for part of their time as Premier and it anticipates correctly that Jim Prentice would be another. Legacypac (talk) 04:21, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

There's also Robert Bourassa whose party won the 1985 Quebec election while losing his own seat and William Lyon Mackenzie King who lost his seat in 1945 while his party won as well as George A. Drew who lost his seat in 1948 while his party was re-elected. Unlike Bourassa and King, who became Premier, and remained PM respectively, before winning their respective by-elections, Drew resigned as Premier (four months after the election) because he decided to switch to federal politics. He didn't quit until he won the federal PC leadership convention - if he lost he may well have returned to the Ontario legislature in a by-election. CosmosCagoul (talk) 18:33, 26 April 2019 (UTC)

FWIW, if MacLauchlan refused to resign? LtG Perry would merely fire him & appoint King. GoodDay (talk) 15:23, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

BTW: MacLauchlan announced his pending resignation as Liberal leader. His resignation is to take effect upon selection of an 'interim leader'. GoodDay (talk) 15:58, 27 April 2019 (UTC)

GoodDay Actually, the lieutenant general cannot dismiss MacLauchlan unless the parliament declares no confidence in his government or declares confidence in an alternative premier. Until then, the lieutenant governor would need to be assured that King has the confidence of the house to appoint him as premier. Onetwothreeip (talk) 01:38, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

The LtG could fire the MacLauchlan if he refused to resign, in that situation. GoodDay (talk) 02:13, 28 April 2019 (UTC)

Regions are wrong

The PC Party did not win any ridings in Charlottetown. There are only 5 charlottetown ridings that held elections and a 6th that did not. These regions are wrong. Nickjbor (talk) 19:26, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

This is correct. Brackley-Hunter is in Malpeque while two thirds of Stanhope-Marshfield is in Malpeque (and 1/3 in Cardigan). -- Earl Andrew - talk 19:56, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Good point, where did we get these regions from? They roughly line up with the federal districts, but yeah, Brackley-Hunter River is not in Charlottetown. Stanhope-Marshfield is maybe debatable, but the electoral commission made a point of separating districts along municipal borders for Charlottetown and Summerside. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 19:57, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

What if we just go by county instead? Or county + Charlottetown? Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 19:58, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Oh never mind, it doesn't work reliably by county either. We could feasibly do east (districts 1-7), central (districts 8-20), west (21-27)? And/or still separate out Charlottetown. Or maybe it should just be a single list. Elections PEI doesn't help, they just list all the districts in order by number. Ivanvector's squirrel (^trees/_nuts) 20:03, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Districts

Are there any editors working to add the election results to the individual districts, as some appear to still be missing. I will do as much as I can.--User13769 (talk) 03:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

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