Talk:2019 Junior WRC Championship

Nations' trophy

@Pelmeen10 — you said something here about the creation of an "FIA Junior WRC Trophy for Nations" being created for 2019, but that was the first I have heard of it. Do you know anything more about it? It's definitely something that needs to be mentioned in the article. 1.144.108.91 (talk) 06:28, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@1.144.108.91 I hoped you atleast checked 2019 rules even if you don't want to read them through. https://www.fia.com/sites/default/files/2019_wrc_sporting_regulations_12122018.pdf

1. GENERAL CHAMPIONSHIP CONDITIONS The FIA organises the FIA World Rally Championship (the Championship) which is the property of the FIA. The World Rally Championship is governed by the FIA International Sporting Code and its appendices (the Code) and these regulations which consist of articles applicable to one or more of the following specific Championships/Cups:

• FIA World Rally Championship for Drivers
• FIA World Rally Championship for Co-Drivers
• FIA World Rally Championship for Manufacturers
• FIA WRC 2 Pro Championship for Drivers
• FIA WRC 2 Pro Championship for Co-Drivers
• FIA WRC 2 Pro Championship for Manufacturers
• FIA WRC 2 Championship for Drivers
• FIA WRC 2 Championship for Co-Drivers
• FIA Junior WRC Championship for Drivers
• FIA Junior WRC Championship for Co-Drivers
• FIA Junior WRC Trophy for Nations
• FIA RGT Cup for Drivers
• FIA RGT Cup for Co-Drivers

Now from page 98 is described JWRC stuff

• 3.1.5 A Trophy will be awarded to the Nation whose driver(s) score the highest total number of points in accordance with the separately published regulations mentioned in Article 1 and in Article 3.2.4. Stage points will not be awarded in the Nations Trophy classification.

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• 3.2.4 Only the best placed driver of each nation will score points for the Junior WRC Nations Trophy Classification. The points of a subsequent driver of the same nationality will pass to the next placed driver of a different nationality. The Junior WRC Nations Trophy Classification will be drawn from the final overall classification of a rally and including only the cars eligible to score points. All 5 Nations Trophy classification scores will be retained. Results will be published in line with Article 54 of the FIA WRC Sporting Regulations.

Just in case, about scoring points:

• 3.3 STAGE POINTS
  • 3.3.1 For each stage of a Junior WRC Itinerary, one Stage Point will be awarded each to the Junior WRC Driver and Co-Driver who set the fastest stage time amongst the registered Junior WRC crews. Where two (or more) crews have set an equal fastest time, all crews who set this equal fastest time will receive one Stage Point.
  • 3.3.2 Stage Points will not be awarded to a Junior WRC crew who have been allocated a notional or Rally 2 time. In this case the stage point will be allocated to the Junior WRC crew which has recorded the fastest stage time having completed the stage normally and correctly. Stage Points will not be awarded in the event of a tie between two (or more) crews when one (or more) of the crews concerned have been allocated a notional time.
  • 3.3.3 Stage Points will not be awarded when more than 50% of the entered Junior WRC crews have been allocated a notional time on a particular stage.
  • 3.3.4 Any crew which has fully retired at any point, including from the final day of the Junior WRC Itinerary will not be classified, but may retain any Stage Points hitherto accrued. However, a crew which has temporarily retired but which continues under Rally 2 regulations (FIA WRC SRs, Art. 46) may be classified on completion of the event, and retain any stage points thus far accrued.
  • 3.3.5 A crew who has made a false start during a stage, particularly one made before the start signal has been given, or who does not complete the stage correctly, shall not score a stage point on that stage.
  • 3.3.6 Stage points may be scored and retained from all 5 Junior WRC rounds.
• 3.4 RESOLVING TIES
  • Any tie in the Junior WRC Championship or Nations Trophy Classifications shall be resolved in accordance with the 2019 FIA WRC Sporting Regulations Article 10. In the event that Article 10 of the FIA WRC Sporting Regulations fails to resolve a dead heat in any part of the 2019 Junior WRC, the tie will be decided in favour of the driver and/or co-driver who has the fastest time on the final stage of the final event of Junior WRC. If the crews involved have equal times on the final stage of the final event, or if notional times are applied to any of those crews on that stage, then the fastest time on the penultimate stage and then the pre-penultimate stage (and so on) will be used until the tie is resolved.

that's it. --Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:11, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Pelmeen10 — the rules tell you what's happening, but they don't tell you why it's happening. When the FIA created the WRC-2 Pro, it was to make the series more attractive to manufacturer-backed entries without deterring privateers. But I'm not seeing the purpose of the Nations' Trophy here. Is it to attract more entries? To evaluate where demand is coming from to shape the calendar in future? 1.144.108.118 (talk) 19:44, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

Well, the JWRC announcement including publishing the crews is yet to happen. My local newspapers even haven't picked it up yet. [Something I can add from Estonain media is that Radstrom and Martin Koci are expected to participate - found no sources elsewhere though.] But my opinion is that it should motivate the local sponsors and local governing body to support young drivers (nominate the best in your country to compete with other young talents), which is/should be the future of top-WRC. This Trophy should also motivate sponsoring multiple crews from 1 country to JWRC. More drivers are also better for the organisers, cuz prize stays the same. We know how hard (if you don't, then try to imagine) it is to reach the top. The sport is very expensive and nothing happens without supporters. In JWRC you can learn, make contacts, make yourself noticed. But 1 JWRC season is not enough usually. Currently there's mostly Finns being supported (although they often start from WRC2; that millionare Jouhki...). But to reach the top you need to start from lower classes, learn each event and gain experience. Loeb and Ogier both came from JWRC. Don't you think this Nations Trophy is a good idea? I think it is, but first they should talk about it and make it bigger (and overall much more coverage about JWRC). I'm a bit dissapointed how less coverage lower classes get from WRC+ and news sites. WRC2 situation has gotten better, but JWRC not. I really hope it changes this season, as there is 1 class inbetween gone (WRC3). Btw, next season in Estonia there's a competition called "Estonian R2 Challenge" for drivers born between 1991-2001 with 7 events from Estonian Championship and winner gets 90 000 euros for JWRC-2020 (this year the prize was much smaller), JWRC participants Roland Poom and Ken Torn both participating, somehow 1 event is on the same time as a JWRC event. if you wanna read more with Google Translate. Last season the JWRC entry was 139 500 euros. Not easy to find sponsors in a small country like Estonia. And where are all the Australians? Pelmeen10 (talk) 21:19, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

@Pelmeen10:

"I'm a bit dissapointed how less coverage lower classes get from WRC+ and news sites."

I live within a day's drive of Coffs Harbour and we get next to no coverage of the WRC down here. Most of this is news to me.

"And where are all the Australians?"

It's notoriously difficult to break into motorsport down here. Most local talent winds up in the Supercars Championship (which isn't a bad thing, it's one of the best championships in the world). If you want to make it elsewhere, you need to relocate to Europe for a few years. There's next to no coverage of the Australian Rally Championship, and it doesn't help that the rules are constantly in flux.

"WRC2 situation has gotten better, but JWRC not. I really hope it changes this season, as there is 1 class inbetween gone (WRC3)."

So do I. I didn't really see the point of the WRC-3. It was a good idea on paper to begin with, but there was a lack of consistent entries. 1.144.108.118 (talk) 22:18, 27 December 2018 (UTC)

WP:NOTBROKE

Would you stop making links like [[Ott Tänak|OT Racing]], it's like making a link [[Apple|apple seed]]. Pelmeen10 (talk) 01:23, 10 February 2019 (UTC)

"OT Racing" redirects to "Ott Tänak". Redirects really should be used for commonly-searched related terms, such as "F1 2019" redirecting to "2019 Formula One World Championship". We should avoid deliberately using links that we know to be redirects. Mclarenfan17 (talk) 11:07, 14 February 2019 (UTC)

Please read WP:NOTBROKE again. Pelmeen10 (talk) 10:50, 16 February 2019 (UTC)

ewrc-results.com is incorrect with points

According to fia.com standings (+juwra.com),

• The FIA Junior WRC Championship will be contested over five rounds commencing with the Rally of Sweden. The best 4 classification results count towards the drivers’ and co-drivers’ totals, but stage points from all 5 rounds can be retained.
• in the nations throphy no double point for the last round.

--Pelmeen10 (talk) 17:37, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

• 3. POINTS
  • 3.1 GENERAL
    • 3.1.1 The Junior WRC Champion titles will be awarded to the Driver and Co-driver who have scored thehighest total number of points.
    • 3.1.2 Points will be awarded according to a separate classification of Junior WRC registered drivers and their co-drivers which will be drawn from the general classification of each Junior WRC event. Points scored in the 2019 Junior WRC Championship shall be in the name of the driver and co-driver respectively.
    • 3.1.3 Only the best 4 classification results of each registered Driver or Co-driver will count towards the Junior WRC Championship final classification.
    • 3.1.4 The points of a driver or co-driver who has withdrawn or has been excluded or suspended from the Junior WRC will remain in the Junior WRC classifications.
    • 3.1.5 A Trophy will be awarded to the Nation whose driver(s) score the highest total number of points in accordance with the separately published regulations mentioned in Article 1 and in Article 3.2.4. Stage points will not be awarded in the Nations Trophy classification.
  • 3.2 RALLY POINTS
    • 3.2.1 Points for each round will be awarded to Junior WRC Drivers and Co-Drivers based on the Junior WRC Overall Classification as follows: 1st position 25 points 2nd position 18 points 3rd position 15 points 4th position 12 points 5th position 10 points 6th position 8 points 7th position 6 points 8th position 4 points 9th position 2 points 10th position 1 point
    • 3.2.2 In the final round of the Junior WRC, but only on the condition that the driver has entered and started within Junior WRC at least 3 of the previous Junior WRC rounds of 2019, the points for each classified driver will be as follows: 1st position 50 points 2nd position 36 points 3rd position 30 points 4th position 24 points 5th position 20 points 6th position 16 points 7th position 12 points 8th position 8 points 9th position 4 points 10th position 2 points Drivers who have not entered and started within Junior WRC at least 3 of the previous Junior WRC rounds of 2018 will receive points according to the normal FIA points scale, i.e. not doubled.
    • 3.2.3 The Junior WRC Classification will be drawn from the final overall classification of a rally. Results will be published in line with Article 54 of the FIA WRC Sporting Regulations.
    • 3.2.4 Only the best placed driver of each nation will score points for the Junior WRC Nations Trophy Classification. The points of a subsequent driver of the same nationality will pass to the next placed driver of a different nationality. The Junior WRC Nations Trophy Classification will be drawn from the final overall classification of a rally and including only the cars eligible to score points. All 5 Nations Trophy classification scores will be retained. Results will be published in line with Article 54 of the FIA WRC Sporting Regulations.
  • 3.3 STAGE POINTS
    • 3.3.1 For each stage of a Junior WRC Itinerary, one Stage Point will be awarded each to the Junior WRC Driver and Co-Driver who set the fastest stage time amongst the registered Junior WRC crews. Where two (or more) crews have set an equal fastest time, all crews who set this equal fastest time will receive one Stage Point.
    • 3.3.2 Stage Points will not be awarded to a Junior WRC crew who have been allocated a notional or Rally 2 time. In this case the stage point will be allocated to the Junior WRC crew which has recorded the fastest stage time having completed the stage normally and correctly. Stage Points will not be awarded in the event of a tie between two (or more) crews when one (or more) of the crews concerned have been allocated a notional time.
    • 3.3.3 Stage Points will not be awarded when more than 50% of the entered Junior WRC crews have been allocated a notional time on a particular stage.
    • 3.3.4 Any crew which has fully retired at any point, including from the final day of the Junior WRC Itinerary will not be classified, but may retain any Stage Points hitherto accrued. However, a crew which has temporarily retired but which continues under Rally 2 regulations (FIA WRC SRs, Art. 46) may be classified on completion of the event, and retain any stage points thus far accrued.
    • 3.3.5 A crew who has made a false start during a stage, particularly one made before the start signal has been given, or who does not complete the stage correctly, shall not score a stage point on that stage.
    • 3.3.6 Stage points may be scored and retained from all 5 Junior WRC rounds.

--Pelmeen10 (talk) 18:04, 16 February 2020 (UTC)

In all honesty I have never seen ewrc-results.com as a reliable source. They have made more mistakes than this. FIA.com and WRC.com are much more reliable to source results to.Tvx1 21:18, 18 February 2020 (UTC)

Well, even fia.com have slipped one in: https://www.fia.com/events/world-rally-championship/season-2016/standings #2016 FIA JUNIOR WRC NATIONS - giving TANZANIA 10 points in Finland. Pelmeen10 (talk) 22:00, 18 February 2020 (UTC)