Talk:2019 Canadian Premier League season

Article title

I reverted an edit to change the title of the article from "2019 Canadian Premier League" to "2019 Canadian Premier League season" because it appeared redundant.

Here are some examples of other league season pages similar to this one that don't use "season":

• 2017–18 Premier League
• 2017–18 Ukrainian Premier League
• 2017–18 Russian Premier League
• 2017–18 Welsh Premier League
• 2018–19 Premier League of Bosnia and Herzegovina
• 2018–19 Egyptian Premier League
• 2018 Faroe Islands Premier League
• 2018–19 A-League
• 2018 Belarusian Premier League
• 2018–19 Scottish Premiership

Wasialoneorinthehd (talk) 23:17, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

To add to that, WP:FOOTBALL recommends only including the word "season" if the league has and end-of-season playoffs which requires disambiguation. See WP:WikiProject Football/League season for more. BLAIXX 00:13, 10 August 2018 (UTC)

Flags

@Sportsfan 1234: removed the flags from beside the coaches' names in the personnel and sponsorship table. When this was done on the Canadian Premier League article, this discussion took place. I pointed out then that while WP:FLAG does mention "when representing country" as an example of when a flag may be used, it is not a requirement. Roster and coach tables do include flags to indicate representative nationality, and do not mean that they are representing that country in CPL competition. This is common practice for soccer season articles on Wikipedia, including the Premier League, Bundesliga, Ligue 1, A-League, and MLS. UmpireRay (talk) 23:04, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

And this is why discussions about articles should not take place on user talk pages.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Football/League season does not advise the inclusion of coaches. Perhaps removing them would be appropriate. MOS:FLAG states several thinks that sports articles regularly ignores and "accompany flags with country names" is the most problematic here. MOS:SPORTFLAGS does state "representative nationality". The coaches are not representing those nations, they are simply from those nations. And the rules generally apply to players, not coaches.

So to summarize, just because it's common to do so does not mean it is correct to do so. That the nation's name is not being used is a problem and must be addressed. That the coaches are not representing the nations is a a correct statement. That there are no rules for coaches, only players, is another underlying issue (but we could extrapolate if it were somehow important to understand the subject more fully). Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:17, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Well then the appropriate thing to do is start an RfC on WT:FOOTY or something, not unilaterally, arbitrarily, and capriciously remove them from one particular article. We should be consistent in the way we do things, one way or the other. Smartyllama (talk) 23:28, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

If I understand correctly and you're suggesting that maybe coaches should not be listed at all, I must disagree. I think the inclusion of the 'Personnel and sponsorship' table is important. The coach, captain, and shirt sponsor change year-over-year and are useful info in the article for a particular season, for the same reason that the managerial changes table is used.

I agree that not including the country name is problematic in this specific case, and should be remedied by including the country name in some way or not having the flag at all. However, in a general sense where the country name issue is not present, I think that barring specific guidelines for coaches, the rules for sportspersons/players should apply. In the case of club competition coaches "aren't representing their country" just as much as the players aren't, and so if flags are used for players they should be for coaches as well. UmpireRay (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Well, first we discuss at FOOTY. Then if there's no consensus, we take it to an RfC, but I understand your point. Walter Görlitz (talk) 23:46, 5 September 2018 (UTC)

Flags should be there, see https://en.wiki.x.io/wiki/2019_Eliteserien Anttipng (talk) 05:20, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Do not show another league article to make your point. Show me a policy or guideline. Walter Görlitz (talk) 05:49, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

It passes MOS:SPORTSFLAGS and is consistent throughout the project. Currently being discussed here Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Football#Serious_issue_with_flag_icons_and_edit_warring. SportingFlyer talk 06:21, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

No, it does not. They do not represent those nations. Stop edit warring to keep them in until it’s resolved. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:28, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

I haven't been edit warring. I went through the user's contributions and restored any changes they made until a consensus forms otherwise. Almost if not all important league season articles, at least in a cross-section of major football leagues around the world (and a few smaller ones), uses flags to indicate managerial nationality. SportingFlyer talk 06:45, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

But it still violates WP:OVERLINK and MOS:ACCESS. But I'm fine with jocks thinking they know better. It might be time for a town pump discussion to put an end to this flag waving. Walter Görlitz (talk) 06:53, 23 December 2018 (UTC)

Young Players Stats

One of the roster rules for teams is to have minimum 3 players ages under 21 combine for 1,000 minutes. Wondering if we add this to the Statistical leaders section? --Coppercanuck (talk) 02:30, 29 April 2019 (UTC)

Game per team

Do teams play 28 games in the season. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.199.9.27 (talk) 05:20, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Yes, 10 in the Spring and 18 in the Fall. BLAIXX 14:29, 12 October 2019 (UTC)

Statistical leaders

On this page (particularly in the Infobox and in #Statistical leaders), should we include statistics from the CPL Finals? Traditionally playoff statistics would be excluded but the CPL includes them on their own stats page and for the end of season awards including Golden Boot and best player: "All awards take into account the nominees’ performance for the full Canadian Premier League 2019 season (Spring, Fall and Finals)." I think we should mirror what the league does and just add a note that the statistics include the Finals. BLAIXX 15:44, 3 November 2019 (UTC)

Attendance

The lowest season attendance is listed as 1,729, York9 0–0 FC Edmonton (June 19). But on the York9 and FC Edmonton season articles it is listed as 2,500 in attendance. Which is it, 1,729 or 2,500? ? Also, there was a game between Pacific FC and York9 (September 11) that has only 1,200 in attendance. Am I missing something? 50.101.52.133 (talk) 02:02, 13 February 2020 (UTC)

Since the sources do not directly list the attendance, I suggest that you be WP:BOLD, add your sources (not the Wikipedia articles), and correct the errors. Walter Görlitz (talk) 02:43, 13 February 2020 (UTC)