Talk:2014 Olsberg mid-air collision

Exercise

We don't need to state that the sky is blue. I've therefore reverted the removal of the sentences re the exercise being part of the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks. In many countries, such exercises take place every week. That this specific exercise was part of them does not, IMHO, need a reference. Mjroots (talk) 21:06, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Have you actually read the policy you linked to? It says you actually do have to cite that. Not every aircraft interception training exercise is part of the aftermath to 9/11. Nathan121212 (talk) 21:10, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Tend to agree with Mjroots. But highly unlikely one would ever find a public domain source to support this claim? The sky isn't always blue, sometimes it's full of smoke, from burning aircraft. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:13, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

The thing is, interceptor aircraft have been around since before 2001 and I doubt that they only started training with them in response to 9/11. See also: WP:NOTBLUE Nathan121212 (talk) 21:17, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

@Nathan121212: - I've invited input from members of WP:AV and WP:MILHIST. Let's see what the consensus is from non-involved editors. Mjroots (talk) 21:18, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

I await their opinions. Here is a story of a Lightning intercepting a Concorde during a training exercise: http://www.lightning.org.uk/oct04sotm.html Nathan121212 (talk) 21:24, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

Well, kind of. Except that looks very different, more like a race, at 2.2 Mach. Was the Concorde without comms? Was it suspected of being a terrorist hijack? Hard to tell from that description. Martinevans123 (talk) 21:32, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• I haven't found any sources that said these exercises were related to the 9-11 attacks, but I did find several saying this was a routine test of the Quick Reaction Alert squadrons of incursions into Germany airspace by uncommunicative aircraft. I think saying this is in any way related to the 9-11 attacks would be speculation and require citation. --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 22:51, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• To back up my own statements: source 1 (in German), source 2 --Mûĸĸâĸûĸâĸû _(blah?) 22:53, 20 July 2014 (UTC)

• Do not include - in the unlikely event it was true it adds no value to the article, these training exercises have been going on for years, well before 9/11. For example any aircraft (including civil) flying over the North Sea could use a "codeword" on the radio that gave permission for it to be used as an intercept target and it was regularly done years before 2001. MilborneOne (talk) 19:40, 21 July 2014 (UTC)

Thanks all for your input. Nathan121212, I've removed the text per your original edit and consensus here. Mjroots (talk) 15:05, 22 July 2014 (UTC)

Luftwaffe a/c regn?

Does anyone know the military serial of the Typhoon? Mjroots (talk) 20:51, 3 August 2014 (UTC)

30+91 according to Scramble MilborneOne (talk) 22:57, 4 September 2015 (UTC)

BFU copyright?

Does anybody know if BFU reports are copyrighted? The illustration on page 45 of the final report would make a good addition to this article, but the only result from reading Commons:Licensing and Copyright_rules_by_territory#Germany is that my brain now hurts. I still have no idea if we're allowed to use the picture. 80.2.106.75 (talk) 06:22, 4 September 2015 (UTC)