Talk:2014–15 North American winter

Criteria for Inclusion

An subject which meets any one of or mixture of these criteria meets the criteria for inclusion as an "event" in the Events section of this article.

• Criterion 1: A subject has an article which has been deemed to be notable.
• Criterion 2: A subject has sufficient references to be considered "significant" but not enough to write a decent-sized article.
• Criterion 3: A subject had been deemed section-worthy through an independent discussion left open for more than three days.
• Experiment: A currently ongoing subject event is of consideration for creating an article, but article-worthiness is yet to be fully established. If a system later is determined to only have been of minor significance, then what content there is may possibly be merged into an "Other events" section.

Changes to the Current Criteria

Additional criteria or modifications to the current criteria may be presented in the section below. For each new suggestion, please prefix the suggestion with a bulletpoint.

• Suggestion: Storms with Weather Prediction Center Event Reviews may receive sections.^[1] Dustin (talk) 05:12, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Attempt

I am making an attempt to fully and successfully publish this article. If there is a problem with the article, please specify it here. If you do not think this article is worth keeping, please notify me and if I consider your argument to be valid or otherwise, I may consider moving it back to Draftspace for further improvement. The subject is notable, so I do not believe the point of "notability" to be a valid reason for deletion. Thank you. Dustin (talk) 05:50, 28 December 2014 (UTC)

Another storm has occurred/is occurring in the Texas/Oklahoma area and areas going eastward

It might be worth a mention. Dustin (talk) 21:35, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

I think this is it: http://www.wpc.ncep.noaa.gov/winter_storm_summaries/storm9/storm9_archive.shtml Dustin (talk) 21:38, 23 February 2015 (UTC)

Rename to 2015 Northeast winter

It should be named 2015 Northeast winter, as the abnormality began in 2015 and the West has seen record heat at times. In addition, March cold wave should be 2015 cold wave as March has just begun.Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 11:48, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

That would seem rather exclusionist in principle, so I would oppose a motion to rename. With regard to records, a record high temperatures are also noteworthy so should be included. I want this winter article to be somewhat similar in makeup to tropical cyclone season articles and to a lesser extent, tornado year articles in that it will keep track of events that were not large enough for an article in sections and keep summaries and links to storms in the winter which do have articles at the same time. Also, this article isn't just here to cover abnormalities. It is here to cover forecasts, storms, their effects, cold snaps, and the aftermath of these events. So far, not all of this is being covered, but this is what I plan for this article to cover. This article won't be able to become truly complete until many to most of the Weather Prediction Center's event reviews have been published, but if you have found information concerning the 2014–15 North American winter, just mention what you want to add and we can consider how to implement it. Dustin (talk) 14:54, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

 Disagree While yes the current article is rather based around that, this is a yearly article that is supposed to cover everything that happened. To change this would slightly excluding. EoRdE6^{(Come Talk to Me!)} 16:22, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

Oppose - The topic of the article is the winter for the entirety of North America, and discusses events that occurred outside the Northeast; furthermore, the CPC's outlook, which is discussed, does not only focus on the Northeast. Inks.LWC (talk) 23:09, 4 March 2015 (UTC)

In that case it should cover all of what WP defines as North America. And it still contains a reference to the March 2015 New England cold wave, which I think should be 2015 New England or Northeast cold wave or winter. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 02:13, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

There is also information about the Great Plains and California. Only the recent events have been slanted towards New England. Dustin (talk) 04:18, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

It does cover all of what WP defines as North America. If you think it's missing an event, feel free to add it. I also don't understand why the reference to the cold wave should not be in an article talking about the North American winter. If you think it's noteworthy enough to warrant its own article, that's fine, but it should still be mentioned here. Inks.LWC (talk) 16:15, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

I did not see Greenland or Central America represented: "North America covers an area of about 24,709,000 square kilometers (9,540,000 square miles), about 4.8% of the planet's surface or about 16.5% of its land area. As of 2013, its population was estimated at nearly 565 million people across 23 independent states, representing about 7.5% of the human population. Most of the continent's land area is dominated by Canada, the United States, Greenland, and Mexico, while smaller states exist in the Central American and Caribbean regions."

See also: List of North American countries by GDP (nominal) and List of North American countries by GDP (PPP)

Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 23:43, 5 March 2015 (UTC)

Again, the remedy is editors to add what's missing, not rename the whole article. If you feel that something is missing, add it. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:32, 6 March 2015 (UTC)

Greenland receives next to no coverage due to its sparse population, and south of the United States, there isn't much of a winter. Technically, they still experience winter, but they don't experience winter storms of any sort. Maybe there could be a climate-related event that affects Mexico (winter-related flooding or something) or something else which would be worthy of inclusion, but from what I can tell, no such event has occurred. Dustin (talk) 21:12, 7 March 2015 (UTC)

It only mentions Canada as re the source of the cold, and in a forecast, but at least change the March cold wave to just 2015 New England or Northeast cold wave or Winter. March hardly represents it. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 00:59, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

@Daniel1212: I am not sure exactly how to make the change you are requesting. Perhaps you could say exactly what you want to be changed? Or you can also edit the article itself (regarding the cold wave). Dustin (talk) 03:52, 8 March 2015 (UTC)

As expressed on the talk page of the article by more than myself, the name of the March 2015 New England cold wave needs to be changed to one of the above. 2015 Northeast cold wave would be best. I am not sure what you meant when titling it "March" on the 5th o that month, but i hope you agree that this is hardly appropriate. Once that is changed that then the reference to that page on this article can be changed. But frankly, i think that the March article is superfluous, as that content is already provided on the 2014–15 North American winter page here. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 14:25, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

I don't see how that has any impact on how we title this article. Inks.LWC (talk) 21:17, 9 March 2015 (UTC)

It became related because the second article is redundant, as it basically is a copy of what I put here under Northeastern United States records. Thus the scope of this article became an issue. Grace and peace thru the Lord Jesus (talk) 19:14, 10 March 2015 (UTC)

OK, but it still has no impact on how we name this page. Inks.LWC (talk) 06:50, 11 March 2015 (UTC)

Winter is waning in the United States

See this graphical forecast (permalink) from the National Weather Service dated to March 15, 2015 00Z. Dustin (talk) 19:14, 14 March 2015 (UTC)

Merge 2015 New England cold wave into this article

Most of the information in that article is duplicated in this article, and at least for now, the article is too small to be necessary. For these reasons, I suggest that 2015 New England cold wave be merged into this article. Dustin (talk) 01:17, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I have decided to notify the following editors who have previously participated in discussions on this talk page as well as the creator of 2015 New England cold wave:

• Daniel1212, EoRdE6, Fred Bauder, Inks.LWC

Dustin (talk) 06:07, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I think it would be better to rename the article March 2015 New England cold wave and to delete this article which is, in the main, about a notably ordinary winter. Until late February there was nothing unusual about New England weather and the only thing notably about the North American winter, other than record warm temperatures in Alaska was the cold wave in late winter in New England. User:Fred Bauder Talk 09:36, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

No. That article is not notable enough for its own article, and considering that you haven't written any considerable amount of this, I don't like hearing you actually suggest that we retain a useless stub before an article about the entire winter. You just ripped that article out of this one. And you are very wrong in suggesting that "the only thing notably about the North American winter, other than record warm temperatures in Alaska was the cold wave in late winter in New England". Just read the article. You are completely disregarding the events in the West, both covered and uncovered by this article, as well as other events. I hope you will rethink your position. The reason this article exists is to cover (summarize) events which are notable enough to have their own articles and provide links to them as well as provide coverage to more minor events that are notable in themselves but which do not have enough published information or relevance to warrant their own articles such as events like the 2015 New England cold wave. Another thing which would never fit in a single event's article would be the records and forecasts involved in the season as a whole.

Finally, regarding "2015 New England cold wave", none of the discussed weather activity actually occurred in March, and not all in New England. It occurred up to March. This has been discussed before, but I guess you haven't seen these discussions. Dustin (talk) 16:09, 21 March 2015 (UTC)

I was not super-enthusiastic about the creation of this article (I may have even expressed opposition at one point), but now that it's been created, I'm fine with it staying. It makes sense to perform the merge, because what is said on the 2015 New England cold wave article can easily be said in this article in its own section without making this article (or the subsection) too large. I support the merge. Inks.LWC (talk) 05:46, 22 March 2015 (UTC)

Records

I notice that the Northeastern United States section is almost what I would call too large and the Western United States section is not large enough. If anyone wants to help develop this article, please help me expand the Western United States section. Dustin (talk) 00:05, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

Environment Canada

With regards to the Environment Canada information in the Season forecasts section here, it looks like the link is no longer valid. I anticipated this, and backed up the forecast graphic to my computer. I didn't have the foresight to actually archive it to a website, though, so if anyone has any ideas on how to do that, I would appreciate it. Dustin (talk) 19:56, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dustin V. S.: Dustin, I am not entirely sure if these are what you're looking for but I found some that seem to correspond. Temp and Precip. Look at the second image. Is this what you want? BlueworldSpeccie (talk) 21:02, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@BlueworldSpeccie: I'll see if that is close enough to still work, even though it isn't exactly the same. I'd show you the version I have, but Canada doesn't have the great public domain laws used by the United States federal government. Dustin (talk) 21:44, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

@Dustin V. S.: Unfortunately that is probably the best that I can find. Wayback has archives of the time but it will only display the current forecast. No idea why. But I'd say if they are close enough use them. And if not... well the source existed at one point. And that's interesting about the domain laws. Oh well. BlueworldSpeccie (talk) 22:00, 13 August 2015 (UTC)

What to do about the Records section

I'm starting to think that the record section in its current state is a lost cause. The "Northeastern United States" section is far to long in proportion to the rest of the article, and there is no standard on which details to include and which to leave out when it comes to (possibly?) summarizing it. The Western United States section is based on NOAA State of the Climate reports, but I realize that if I created sections for each part of the United States for each month of winter while following the standard I used in the Western United States section, the records section would become far too large and would need to be split off. Does anyone, anyone at all have any ideas on how to handle the Records section moving forward? This article sets the standard for all future articles, so it is necessary for me to know here so that I can prepare for the 2015–16 North American winter article and future articles. Dustin (talk) 21:27, 28 October 2015 (UTC)

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