Talk:2-8-2

Shall we have a different photo for the main/top image?

Hi folks,

I was wondering if there might be a better photo we can use in place of the PRR #520 2-8-2 at the head of this article. The only reason I suggest this is that it's a little hard for the uninitiated to make out the wheel arrangement from this photo, given it's more head-on than side-on.

Could I suggest the photo of the USATC S118, for example, where the wheel rims are painted white and are very easy to make out? Given this loco was exported to a number of countries, it's a truly representative example of the type. (Or if I was to be really parochial Victorian, I could suggest the picture of the Victorian Railways X class?)

The PRR photo could then be shifted to the "United States" section, which currently has no photo.

Thanks,

Zzrbiker 01:41, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

I've moved the PRR image down to the US section and moved the black and white X class image up to the lead. I think the black and white image better conveys the meaning of a 2-8-2 than the color image because the color highlights are a little distracting. Slambo (Speak) 11:10, 20 September 2007 (UTC)

Five years later, same conversation! I think the current photo at the head of the article, in this case a Finnish 2-8-2 photographed more or less from the front, is not really an ideal image to illustrate the wheel arrangement. You can make it out when you've opened the photo up in in a larger view, but in the thumbnail image the wheel arrangement is not easy to make out. Whereas the X class locomotive with its white wheels did a pretty good job of illustrating the wheel arrangement even in a thumbnail view.

I'd suggest we use one of the various photos of 2-8-2 locomotives that give a good clear unobstructed view of the wheel arrangement, preferably photographed from the side of the locomotive rather than the front. I'd suggest reinstating the X-class photo (there's other Australian 2-8-2 locomotives that could go in the "Australia" section if a photo for that section is even required) or alternatively we could use the photo of the JNR Class D51-22, or the USRA Light Mikado.

Thoughts? Zzrbiker (talk) 13:03, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

USRA Heavy Mikado

I agree, actually! The only reason I used the Finnish loco as the header pic was that it was way too crowded in the Finland section and I was hesitant about removing one. I'd like to leave the Aussie X-class down under, though, so how about this one of the USRA heavy Mikado in the USA section and then moving the sharper looking light Mikado up to the header? The Fin can then replace the rather poor shot presently representing Finland.
Will go do some shuffling just now - need to get a pipe stuffed and lit first...
André Kritzinger 14:30, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Done. Please have a look.
André Kritzinger 15:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)

Unpowered trailing axle

Thanks to Slambo for reorganising the images. However, it just occured to me as I read the first paragraph of the article and the definition of a 2-8-2 as having "one unpowered trailing axle" that the X class locomotive photograph shows a steam pipe heading to the booster engine in the delta trailing truck. Note that the X was certainly not the only Mikado to have a booster engine so fitted.

Shall we remove the references to "unpowered" axles, given that it's not entirely correct? Yes the booster is typically only in use at low speeds (the axle would be unpowered at greater than 20-30km/h when the booster is cut out) but it's not strictly an "unpowered axle".

Zzrbiker 00:55, 21 September 2007 (UTC)

Plagarism problem?

Unfortunately a fair amount of this text seems pretty familiar. The history and American sections seem especially affected. I am not 100% sure where I read it before, but my first suspicion is the Mikado section in Drury, George H., Guide to North American Steam Locomotives (1993). Alas, at the moment mine is not handy to check. Another possible source might have been the Mikado page on steamlocomotive.com. Anyone want to check it out and give me a second opinion? Thanks. —Preceding unsigned comment added by N'Awlins Contrarian (talk • contribs) 05:19, 1 February 2008 (UTC)

Moved untitled comment from top of templates

In Spain also, many 2-8-2 were still in use. In broad peninsular gauge, Two types, one 1917 ALCO product for Norte Co (~ 50 units). RENFE purchased (french influence?) 232 units in 1950-60. The design was North British, and the ~ 20 first were build in Glasgow. The remain in Spain with slightly minor details changed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.176.161.208 (talk) 14:01, 3 September 2008 (UTC)

Southern Pacific 786

The original Southern Pacific 786 (two-cylinder, no booster, so far as I know) is in the hands of the Austin Steam Train Association of Cedar Park, Texas. ASTA had operated it under the original SP number.

In 1999, the engine was taken out of service owing to the discovery of cracks in the cylinder saddle.

It is now evidently nearing completion of a complete overhaul (stripped to the frame), with new cylinder castings and all.

After the disablement of the 786, TSTA acquired an Alco RSD-15 (their 442, originally Santa Fe 842/9842)), which hauls their consists pending the return to service of the 786.

Interestingly enough, at this very moment my wife is riding an ASTA train, their Hill Country Flyer Bluebonnet Festival run, presumably behind said alligator.

Doug Kerr 17:36, 9 April 2011 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Doug Kerr (talk • contribs)

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List of preserved US locomotives

I'm in the process of a major revision of the 2-8-2 article and I feel that the list of preserved and plinthed locomotives under the "United States of America" section does not belong here, but rather in an article dedicated to preserved locomotives. Besides, it is well near impossible to ensure that such a list remains up to date. For record purposes, I'm appending the (edited) information below.
André Kritzinger 20:59, 10 September 2012 (UTC)

Preserved locomotives

There are more than 125 Mikados remaining in the USA, of which about forty are narrow gauge. Thirty of the 125 are operational, while half of the narrow gauge locomotives are from the Rio Grande.

• The East Broad Top owns six narrow gauge Mikados of which only one, number 15, is operational.
• Dollywood operates three Baldwin built 2-8-2 steam locomotives, originally from the White Pass & Yukon. Two are original and one is a USATC S118 Class.
• Tweetsie Railroad operates one narrow gauge Baldwin built 2-8-2, no. 190, an ex White Pass & Yukon locomotive.
• There are two Rio Grande K-27s remaining, no. 464 on the Huckleberry Railroad and no. 463, which was operational on the Cumbres & Toltec until it broke a side rod in 2002.
• Of the Rio Grande K-28s, numbers 473 and 478 are in service on the Durango & Silverton while number 476 is in the Durango & Silverton museum in Durango, Colorado.
• Of the Rio Grande K-36s, numbers 480, 481, 482 and 486 are operational on the Durango & Silverton while numbers 483, 484, 487, 488 and 489 are operational on the Cumbres & Toltec.
• Rio Grande K-37s numbers 492, 494, 495 and 497 are on the Cumbres & Toltec, but only number 497 was recently operational.
• Southern Pacific 745 is operational, based in Jefferson, Louisiana.
• Canadian National 3254 operates at the Steamtown National Historic Site.
• Southern Railway 4501 was operational until 1998, when it was withdrawn for an operational restoration.
• Soo Line 1003 has also run in railfan service.

Plinthed locomotives

Union Pacific 2295

• Union Pacific (UP) no. 2295 is on display at Boise, Idaho. It was moved from a city park to near the former UP station in Boise, Idaho in 2009.
• Elk River Coal and Lumber Company No. 10 is on display at Huntington, West Virginia.
• Nickel Plate 587 is undergoing restoration in Indianapolis, Indiana.
• PRR 520 is on display at the Railroad Museum of Pennsylvania.
• D&RGW K-37 numbers 493 and 498 are on static display on the Durango & Silverton, while number 499 is on static display in Canon City, Colorado and number 491 is on static display at the Colorado Railroad Museum.
• The Frisco’s no. 1355 is on display on Garden Street in Pensacola, Florida.

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Needs references. Slambo (Speak) 13:07, 20 October 2006 (UTC)

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