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Host city selection

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The following statement is: a) Completely in the wrong location. b) Doesn't seem to be accurate considering this article states that the decision to pick Berlin was made before the fascist government had risen to power.

"...Academics cannot agree whether the IOC during this period was a willing collaborator or an organisation that favoured the aesthetics of fascist governments.[7] Although the IOC was insulated from the reality of Nazism, elements of Hitler's regime subscribed to the sporting ideologies of the IOC.[7]"

Farther to what Wintonian said earlier, the reference 7 is a book. The paragraph in question is all insinuation, and doesn't seem to represent broad debate amongst academics.

This statement should be moved or possibly removed. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 209.29.4.43 (talk) 17:48, 3 August 2016 (UTC)Reply

Also, the German flag is totally wrong in Host city selection.Ernio48 (talk) 23:41, 22 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
Which flag and what's wrong with it? Remember that the regime changed between selection and the event. Andy Dingley (talk) 00:31, 23 March 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Attempted 2nd Nazi German Games

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Was there an attempted 2nd Nazi German Games which was cancelled by the outbreak of WWII?

60.242.247.177 (talk) 08:31, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Reply

Do you mean a game organized by Nazi Germany independent of the official Olympics or was Germany to host a second Olympic games prior to 1945? The 1940 and 1944 summer and winter games had been scheduled to take place in Tokyo, London, Sapporo and Cortina d'Ampezzo but were cancelled due to the war. If a second Nazi German games were planned it would not been Olympic games but rather something Nazi-organized (the Aryan Games? Nordic Games? -- I guess the Jesse Owens humiliation still stung). Personally I have not heard of such a plan (but what I've not heard of could fill a second Wikipedia). If such a games were conceived, and there's reliable sourcing, a mention here if not an actual article would be appropriate. freshacconci (✉) 10:30, 6 August 2017 (UTC)Reply
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Not only is there far too much about Hitler in this page that should be about the Games of the XI Olympiad, but people also seem to have read his mind. Could we change the focus to the games, please? If we need a section on politics, let it be just that: A section. There's no need to poison the rest of the page with that. Mysha (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 10:58, 15 January 2018 (UTC)Reply

The "Controversies" section is sourced to reliable sources, which is what matters. Like it or not, a lot of the historical interest and scholarship about the games is due to their political flavor. So... no, it would be undue weight to focus on the sporting side when that clearly wasn't what most people do. Even the most famous sports triumphs were all very political/nationalistic - Jesse Owns most famously. SnowFire (talk) 23:39, 8 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

Inconsistency with infobox & navbox

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In the infobox, we've got the 1948 games as successors to these games. Yet in the navbox, we've got the 1940 cancelled games as successors to these games. GoodDay (talk) 08:18, 23 February 2018 (UTC)Reply

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The medal count chart issue

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The medal count chart does not display actual numbers on my iPhone - just blank boxes. Numbers are there but displaying as white against a white backdrop @ 2601:204:C700:8C:E54F:5794:9ADC:E6FE (talk) 20:10, 20 February 2024 (UTC)Reply

"Weed out the weak and the Jewish"

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I can't seem to find any credible source for the quote from Hans von Tschammer und Osten, in which he "believed that sports was a "way to weed out the weak, Jewish, and other undesirables". Is this from a specific source other than the one listed? 50.223.1.158 (talk) 15:42, 1 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

"chancellor" Adolf Hitler?

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The infobox lists that the games were "opened by" "Chancellor Adolf Hitler" in 1936. There are a few problems with this.

  1. The citation link links to a 2022 press release on the IOC which lists both the general guidelines for the opening ceremonies and lists those who have opened the ceremonies,
  2. These guidelines include "The HOS [head of state] proclaims the games open... Those who have performed this task are royalty and vice presidents or their representatives..."
  3. It includes "Chancellor Adolf Hitler" as opening the 1936 Berlin Olympics, despite the chancellor of Germany (even in 1936) being the head of government and not the head of state.
  4. The president of Germany, who is the HOS, was on office that did not exist in 1936, as it was superseded by the Fuhrer, which effectively merged the office of President and Chancellor
  5. Despite that, the full title of the fuhrer was "The Fuhrer and Chancellor of the German Reich"
  6. This title implies two things. First it implies a distinction between Fuhrer and Chancellor. Second is that it implies that the Fuhrer is what the Chancellor is not. Since the office of chancellor is already established as head of government, Fuhrer must be the equivalent to the HOS.

I understand if the IOC doesn't love admitting they gave the world's biggest platform at the time to Hitler, especially with the connotations of "Hitler and Fuhrer", but I'd argue going with what the IOC says is mistaken. As pointed out, the IOC is not doing their due diligence with respect to history or even with respect to their own guidelines. This, to me, effectively establishes this specific citation as not only erroneous, but explicitly biased and potentially even as a first-person source. Jwabeck (talk) 06:13, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

I'm sure there are plenty of alternative sources. But even that one describes the list as: "Heads of State or their representatives who have declared the Games of the Olympiad open"? The first mention of Hitler in the text is "Reichsführer Adolf Hitler", so maybe that would be better - the infobox is meant to summarise the text? Alternatively, he could just appear as "Adolf Hitler" is the infobox, without any title? Martinevans123 (talk) 07:22, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
I'd agree with your last point, most likely. The problem I have with the phrase "heads of state or their representatives" is that when one person is both head of state and head of government, but only by virtue of holding two different offices, it seems frivolous to say "I, chancellor Adolf Hitler, by the power vested in me by myself as Fuhrer, declare that I am acting in my own stead as head of state while I, Fuhrer Adolf Hitler, already inhabit that position".
In the US, the President is both, but that's relatively rare, and it was established as such rather than through the renaming of an old office, merging two old offices into one, but continuing to have both offices as official titles. Jwabeck (talk) 20:31, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Flags

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there are a couple of issues with the flags used on this page:

  • Greece: definitely wrong, used the striped flag
  • Australia: used the red ensign
  • Colombia: used the civil ensign (or rather a version of it)
  • Switzerland: at least in part using the square version
  • Malta: did not use the blue ensign, but (strangely) the governor's flag
  • Costa Rica: did use the flag with the arms
  • New Zealand: as Australia: probably the red ensign
  • Peru: did use the flag without arms
  • Liechtenstein: rather dubious, if they used the "inverted", i.e. red-over-blue flag
  • Argentina (without any evidence, but educated guess): probably the simple flag without sun

Reference: FOTW and cited references therein Sukaq (talk) 04:49, 10 September 2024 (UTC)Reply

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